Yes, I think that too, I also think that they're exposure is purposeful, even orchestrated, not just random arrogance due to their perceived power and control. Maybe Jehovah is egging them on too in order to fulfill prophecy. One thing's for sure, they're gradually hanging themselves by their own petard..
Well said!@Neoluna and @SusanB I'm gonna chime in here, because I agree with both positions, which may seem strange. First of all, I agree, there doesn't seem to be any humble people among the R&F. I have had exactly the same thoughts. But all of us here, are a testament to the fact that is not true in the absolute sense. But I am inclined to feel exactly the same way, "there is no humility among the R&F." But if I really think about that statement I know it is not true. But the problem is, there is no humility from WT, therefore because the leadership has no humility, then that likewise breeds a lack of humility, but I would say primarily among the Elders. But once again, we can not make a statement like that because again, it is not true in the absolute sense. So what we have is something of a paradox.
If you really think about why the R&F have such devotion to the GB, it is because they have misplaced loyalties, believing that it is what Jehovah wants. I think what reveals whether a person is humble or not, is whether they can change when presented with true facts, something the GB has done everything they can to obscure, and it is the real reason they don't want any of the R&F to be exposed to "apostate driven lies". So for now Jehovah allows most of them to remain in the dark. The question arises however, do they remain in the dark because they want to remain in the dark? And it does take tremendous humility to admit you have been wrong, and as of now, that is very few and far between. There are far more Ex-JW's who throw out the baby with the bath water when they find out they have been lied to, and my worry is that may be the trend with most JW's. I hope not, but I can't help but think that may hold true when WT is exposed. My hope is that they will recognize "Christ's brothers" and realize the truth then...
We also must keep in mind, we are dealing with the "father of the lie", and he is very good at lying! Something most of us can never understand, at least I hope not...
I would agree. I will keep my opinions to myself from now on and stick to the facts. I probably have alot of opinions that i should just keep to myself.@Neoluna and @SusanB I'm gonna chime in here, because I agree with both positions, which may seem strange. First of all, I agree, there doesn't seem to be any humble people among the R&F. I have had exactly the same thoughts. But all of us here, are a testament to the fact that is not true in the absolute sense. But I am inclined to feel exactly the same way, "there is no humility among the R&F." But if I really think about that statement I know it is not true. But the problem is, there is no humility from WT, therefore because the leadership has no humility, then that likewise breeds a lack of humility, but I would say primarily among the Elders. But once again, we can not make a statement like that because again, it is not true in the absolute sense. So what we have is something of a paradox.
If you really think about why the R&F have such devotion to the GB, it is because they have misplaced loyalties, believing that it is what Jehovah wants. I think what reveals whether a person is humble or not, is whether they can change when presented with true facts, something the GB has done everything they can to obscure, and it is the real reason they don't want any of the R&F to be exposed to "apostate driven lies". So for now Jehovah allows most of them to remain in the dark. The question arises however, do they remain in the dark because they want to remain in the dark? And it does take tremendous humility to admit you have been wrong, and as of now, that is very few and far between. There are far more Ex-JW's who throw out the baby with the bath water when they find out they have been lied to, and my worry is that may be the trend with most JW's. I hope not, but I can't help but think that may hold true when WT is exposed. My hope is that they will recognize "Christ's brothers" and realize the truth then...
We also must keep in mind, we are dealing with the "father of the lie", and he is very good at lying! Something most of us can never understand, at least I hope not...
Don't do that. You said something many of us have felt and it is very important to discuss things like this, so that we are not all overly discouraged. We are "iron sharpening iron"...keep in mind, to sharpen a blade you have to remove burs and imperfections caused by use. Getting beat up by idol worship from the R&F is part of that "use" or "abuse" if you prefer, and it is here that we are able to discuss these things and make sense out of it!I would agree. I will keep my opinions to myself from now on and stick to the facts. I probably have alot of opinions that i should just keep to myself.
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I thought of that too when I saw his name!Phonetically: Bro Bro
It's really hard isn't it, when people who call themselves Jehovah's witnesses treat us so bad, treat us in a way that many so called ungodly wouldn't dream of. I don't understand it one bit. The only thing that makes sense to me to explain it is that these people do not believe in God and they use the good people who love Jehovah and who are trying to change their course of
For those who choose to say in the congregations and try to not compromise, it is at the very least an uneven yoke. That is why it will never be comfortable for those who love the truth to stay in the congregations at this time. I’m not saying the congregation of anointed ones are unclean but falsehood and lying is unclean.That's so true Susan, I was led to believe by other brothers and sisters, elders, CO's and the leaders themselves (through the literature) that putting up with all the abuse we have to take inside, from others, is all part and parcel of Jehovah's training us.. by I know this one thing now, and that is, I really couldn't take it anymore after the GB's convid and injection rubbish.. perhaps Jehovah does want me to go back to in person meetings and take all the convid abuse on top of everything else.. I don't know if he does or if he doesn't. But I DO feel like he wanted me to find this forum so that I could learn what I'm learning now. There's nothing worse than being confused, and every day I'm less and less confused now
It's most awkward for any remaining anointed to rationalise thier scriptural requirements especially 2John 10,11 "If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching do not receive him ito your homes, For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works"
I will say i was shocked how the brothers and sisters were treating each other over the vaccine. It was horrible. All these talks about love and unity and giving to your brothers and forgiving all went out the window. My brother had a conversation with a sister about the vaccine last week. This sister went to another brother in the congregation and said he was an apostate. WTH? I mean really?It's really hard isn't it, when people who call themselves Jehovah's witnesses treat us so bad, treat us in a way that many so called ungodly wouldn't dream of. I don't understand it one bit. The only thing that makes sense to me to explain it is that these people do not believe in God and they use the good people who love Jehovah and who are trying to change their course of
life to please him. Many people treat the congregations like a social club and also like a business where they can make a lot of money. The last thing they're interested in doing is working on the fruits of the spirit to please Jehovah. I always took comfort in knowing that Jehovah knows everything that these people have done to us, physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually, and he takes all that knowledge into consideration when dealing with us when we stress out about stuff or react badly to situations or people. There's a scripture somewhere, I think it's in Job where it talks about how our stressful lives can make us speak "wild talk" I know I've been brought to the edge of craziness by certain witnesses and what they've done to me and my kids, elders too. What you said about how the promotion of the injections made matters worse, and the GB will continue to make things worse, right until Jehovah brings it all to an end. Then we'll be free
I've come to the conclusion if you're not a JW you're automatically an apostate. EVERYONE is now called an apostate. We are all apostates!! The WORLD is apostate! I'm so sick and tired of the over use of the word APOSTATE
Whatever happened to "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names could never hurt me"?I've come to the conclusion if you're not a JW you're automatically an apostate. EVERYONE is now called an apostate. We are all apostates!! The WORLD is apostate! I'm so sick and tired of the over use of the word APOSTATE
I hope you continue to contribute to the forum. Your comments are very valuable and I have enjoyed them. I just sometimes have to speak up when I see something at times that I find worth responding to. I hope I didn’t discourage you. As Nomex said in one of his posts not long ago, sometimes I make comments that are really a reminder to myself. The point being that I think we all want to be viewed as individuals and I know Jehovah views us that way. Otherwise why would he need to be described as a roving eye searching for right-hearted ones? I did not intend to discourage you from sharing your feelings and I think the conversation between us was interesting and not at all discouraging to me. Thank you.I would agree. I will keep my opinions to myself from now on and stick to the facts. I probably have alot of opinions that i should just keep to myself.
Thank you. Everyone is different and life experiences can shape alot about how we view things. I do have alot of rough edges but the older i get they tend to get polished out.
Me too! Sick to death of hearing the word!! What exactly does it mean anyway??I've come to the conclusion if you're not a JW you're automatically an apostate. EVERYONE is now called an apostate. We are all apostates!! The WORLD is apostate! I'm so sick and tired of the over use of the word APOSTATE
Trouble is about changing congs is that Jah's org is all one big cong, for better or worse. Thank goodness zoom continued.
Scripturally, it would be those going against Jesus (Anti-Christ) and his teachings , BUT in the JW world it means talk against or disagreeing GB or the ORG doctrines/polices. 2 John vs 7-9