Rough draft letter to the elders...

Driven

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JW, sorry, JG is Dutch


No it doesn’t. My mother is still in that congregation and in that 6 years they have only grown more arrogant.

This is a top down organisation, there is no two way street communication. I agree with @Ms_ladyblue: “I’m sure the elders have received similar information from others and by now, for the most part, are being as ‘a stiff necked people.‘“
My point is that whether people listen or not, at least for me, because I have made a stand, I know that Jehovah has taken notice of it and my conscience is clear. No doubt true justice will take time and likely only come through Jehovah’s elimination of Satan’s system. But while I wait for justice I have the peace of mind in knowing that I tried.
 

Sundial

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My point is that whether people listen or not, at least for me, because I have made a stand, I know that Jehovah has taken notice of it and my conscience is clear. No doubt true justice will take time and likely only come through Jehovah’s elimination of Satan’s system. But while I wait for justice I have the peace of mind in knowing that I tried.
You are very strong Driven! I am sitting here listening to our zoom meeting (and typing this out, LOL) and I sincerely feel that any consideration to an opinion outside of what the GB has allowed cannot be accepted simply because it puts the listener on the "wrong" side of the road as well. The fear of losing (or being on the unthinkable "wrong side") is too great for them. It is better to terminate the problem before it spreads - never mind what it does to the publisher. It is a form of mind control so logic is useless. I wonder if it is better to just fade quietly ...
 

Driven

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You are very strong Driven! I am sitting here listening to our zoom meeting (and typing this out, LOL) and I sincerely feel that any consideration to an opinion outside of what the GB has allowed cannot be accepted simply because it puts the listener on the "wrong" side of the road as well. The fear of losing (or being on the unthinkable "wrong side") is too great for them. It is better to terminate the problem before it spreads - never mind what it does to the publisher. It is a form of mind control so logic is useless. I wonder if it is better to just fade quietly ...
Each one must make their choice because the consequences are real. I was not dependent on the congregation nor the friends, although I did my best to love and respect them. Those things are more difficult now.
 

יהוה_saves

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@BARNABY THE DOG. i would love to see samples of your work.

you’re right. It’s a theatrical presentation of misery on the subject. How do elders know if one is repentant? I’ve always wondered that. It seems the disfellowing policy is designed to show outsiders how clean the org is. The org doesn’t deal with problems, it either covers them up or gets rid of them like yesterday’s trash. What is a persons life worth? Not much in Watchtower.

i’m bored witless too. I think i’ll start an art project. I took this picture of the Eiffel Tower below, when i was in Paris-

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This is not even close to finished...and I'm not sure a certain half of me will let me do this even though that person completely agrees...anyway, here's what i got so far....




Needless to say, I was raised in the truth. The difference is, my father knew the bible and everything the Org put out better than anyone else, and all you needed to do, to have that education installed into you, was be one of his sons.

Back in the 80’s when I became a young man, and having this kind of background, I really started to dig deep into what was going on in the world.

But that happened partially on accident.

I needed extra credit in High School, and the janitor gave a presentation of the assignation of JFK. I didn’t know anything really one way or another, and everyone made fun of this guy. I had heard him ridiculed by people who’d seen his presentation. But I needed the credits so I went anyway, fully expecting to laugh and ridicule this guy afterwards.

What happened instead is I left that presentation thinking to myself, “wow, he made a lot of sense.” “back and to the left.” There’s never been a good argument why that happened from a shooter from behind. “Back and to the left” was from the perspective of Kennedy who was obviously shot from the front and not behind.


This was when I truly began to understand Satan’s power, and how he really does “transform himself into an angel of light” by being able to use his governments to cover up this kind of a crime.

It was then that I really began to wonder how much Satan was hiding. It makes sense after all, a demon, who’s intent is evil, and wants to make himself seem like he’s an angel of good, would cover-up is evil intent.

This is when I really began to dig deep. Around this same time, I met my wife we got and turns out she’d never been vaccinated. Her Mom also a Witness had researched vaccines, and decided the bad outweighed any good from vaccines, and so she never vaccinated her daughter. And she used a “religious exemption to avoid vaccinations for public schools.

Me being open minded, looked into it. Short version, way before my kids were born I knew I would never vaccinate my kids. Back in the 80’s the pharmaceutical companies threatened to stop manufacturing vaccines, because they were losing their shirts from liability lawsuits! In other words, their vaccines were injuring and killing people. But because the “whole world lies in the power of the wicked one” and congress rather than look into vaccine dangers, set up what many call the “vaccine injury fund.” And indeed that is what it is. You cannot sue a vaccine manufacturer now for damages from a bad vaccine that injures or kills you, you have to sue the government. Which have added an excise tax to vaccines to pay for the vaccine injuries. It is an evil demonic scam that the devil has made sure almost no one knows about.

So having said all of that, when my kids were born, we did not vaccinate them and used a religious exemption in part the scripture about the body being a temple.

So years before Covid, there was no way I would ever get another vaccine myself or vaccinate my kids. Vaccines are NOT SAFE OR EFFECTIVE. That is a Satanic lie!

Then rolled out “Covid”.

For many years we used the analogy of the Bible being the “owners manual for human beings because God was the creator.”

Well Covid was propagated off the PCR test, so I think we should look at what the creator of the PCR test had to say about using the PCR test as a diagnostic, and by extension since Fauci was using it that way, what the creator of the PCR put out in his “owners manual” for the PCR test.

1) …he said you cannot use it for what the whole world used it for, a diagnostic(in other words you cannot use the PCR to test whether someone has Covid or not.) and 2) he said Fauci was no scientist.




|So if we used the standard that the creator knows the most about what he created, then we have to conclude that Kerry Mullis set the definitive standard for the PCR test, and therefore everything the governments have been doing around the world is fraud and their conclusions are based on fraud and not “misinformation”. Rather your conclusions are based on misinformation since they all originate with the father of the lie. Kerry Mullis was not a government stooge. In fact he’s dead now.

My first red flag with regard to Covid came with the Mask hysteria. I use “masks” as part of the PPE for what I do for a living. I put “masks” in quotations, because, a “mask” had different meanings. In my case I have several respirators that I use. A “respirator” is defined as “A device worn over the mouth or nose or both to protect the respiratory tract from harmful dust or fumes”

Another definition, “a mask or device worn over the mouth and nose to protect the respiratory system by filtering out dangerous substances (such as dusts, fumes, or bacteria) from inhaled air”

Keyword here, “mask” and “by filtering out dangerous substances.”

I own several respirators. And they in fact, “filter out dangerous substances.” Some better than other like my $1200 PaPR. (Powered air Purifying Respirator.)

Your hanky, and your “surgeon mask” doesn’t do anything. And OSHA knows this because for 40 years they have regulated it. The surgeon suite is a giant respirator. That surgeon mask is a dust a sweat filter, nothing more!

But the real problem with “masks” is not that they don’t work, but for a fact they cause harm, especially to young children. They force people to re-breathe carbon dioxide in children, that can cause permanent brain damage.

For more than 20 years I have used and studied respirators. What happened in 2020 is clear evidence that the governments are controlled by Satan. OSHA has had laws regarding mask use for 40 plus years. They threw them all out the window like they didn’t exist, over night. FORTY YEARS of research and study, just to say, “Everyone needs to wear a mask”.

And literally a few days prior they levied tens of thousands of dollars of fines to companies who just told their employees to wear masks. You know why? Oh, boy, because there is a statute. An actual law, which prohibits any employer from requiring an employee to perform a task that requires a respirator, without giving them a medical evaluation. And if you “fail” the medical evaluation, you cannot be required to wear a mask, and if you are an actual Christian you cannot “strongly suggest” a person with a medical exemption, wear a mask.


In other words, “Strongly suggesting a mask” is in fact, against the actual law, since the law is not made up of executive orders. Maybe you guys no longer know there are three branches of government, The judiciary, the executive, and the legislative. The Legislative is the only branch that can make actual laws. And even then “congress shall make no law” means the legislative cannot change that law.
While your letter is indeed very well presented, you of course know that they will most likely throw it aside as "conspiracy theory" , that is the term used for anyone who raises evidence against the vaccinations, and thus against the GB . I think though if you feel the need to do such then by all means carry on. The best any of us can do is make sure we have a clean conscience before God. I have had two phone calls from the body of Elders in my Congregation, telling me that there will be a "judicial Committee" for my comments on FB about the fact I believe that apostasy has happened in the organization , and that the GB is part of it , as is evident from their stand on the promotion of the vaccine as coming from Jehovah to his Channel .....I have presented numerous medical journals and such against all of it...masking , social distancing and the mandating of vaccines.....but it just is ignored...and I would be surprised if anyone is going to read or respond to it , but hey , you never know which elder might have a brain still. In my case, all they said after all that I presented , and this just over the phone and on FB which was one of the reasons for the 'Judicial Committee." , it is that they were sorry that they were the bearers of bad news....alluding to the action coming against me.
Two Brothers have at least reached out to me saying ....what if you are wrong.....or it is just conjecture ( my postings of evidence against the vaccines) . so a desire to follow men, the GB , is the only thing in the minds of these so called shepherds. They can easily detect an apostate or wrongdoer in the congregation, but not if the evidence points to the GB. I have been absolutely amazed by these men, men I thought were intelligent and whose only desire is to serve Jehovah Whole souled, that I felt under any circumstances understood what exclusive devotion meant, but instead have found to be only followers of men, willing to attack anyone who dared to say a word , even if supported by scripture and bible principles.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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@BARNABY THE DOG. i would love to see samples of your work.

you’re right. It’s a theatrical presentation of misery on the subject. How do elders know if one is repentant? I’ve always wondered that. It seems the disfellowing policy is designed to show outsiders how clean the org is. The org doesn’t deal with problems, it either covers them up or gets rid of them like yesterday’s trash. What is a persons life worth? Not much in Watchtower.

i’m bored witless too. I think i’ll start an art project. I took this picture of the Eiffel Tower below, when i was in Paris- i lived in Paris for almost two years from 1998-2001 before we moved to Portland- in March of 2001 before 9/11 happened. This has always been my favorite picture- i cannot find the original. I’ve loooked everywhere. and i lost not one but all of my pictures of our 2012 trip to Greece- my daughter was living in Greece at the time. I stood on the Areopagus and imagined Paul giving his talk to the Athenians. my daughter kept calling it the Aerasparagus. she is such a brat. I had no interest in the Pathanon so i spent most of my time in the oldest part of Athens called the Plaka- i saved my husband’s life there, he nearly walked off a 40 foot drop and i grabbed him and pulled him back. It’s built weird, lots of retaining walls and weird drop offs. There should be warning signs for tourists.

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Nice picture! The first parachute was tested from the Eiffel Tower. The chap died unfortunately! It’s true, no one knows if a person is repentant and it is dangerous to put oneself in such a position of sanctioning repentance - hence the guilt the watchtower holds for nigh-on incurable issue of paedophilia. I have never been to Greece. It must have been nice to visit biblical sites. Humans are very attracted to history. I think it gives the impression of security. If people learnt from history, they would understand how dangerous that is!
 

יהוה_saves

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Nice picture! The first parachute was tested from the Eiffel Tower.
wow! i love trivia. i didn’t know that! We went up in it to the very top once- and once is enough. We had to switch elevators when the elevator lady yelled out “Change” in a heavy French accent. On our way down, I really wanted to take the stairs but nobody would take them with me so i just went along in the elevator. “Change!”

In Greece I ate fresh strawberries every day. I walked to this outdoor fruit stand and there was a bin piled high in a pyramid shape, with small, but bright red strawberries. They were warm from sitting in the sun. I would buy big bags of them and eat them, stem and all, until i was stuffed.
 

יהוה_saves

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@Back to True Worship

your story is fascinating. How does having an opinion on a vaccine amount to apostasy? So what they’ve done is they’ve elevated the GB to a position of god. publicly showing himself to be a god. . . of which you are not permitted, under any circumstance, to diverge from. See, the implications of “what if you’re wrong” are much more dire if they are wrong than if you are wrong. In this case, it really isn’t about being wrong or right, it’s about life and death. This is the point that these elders are missing.

It’s my contention that the elders’ letter that went out last September 2021 warning elders not to have or express any negative opinion on the vaccines (positive opinion need only apply) weeded out the last, remaining good ones, if there ever were any. That was their last stand. Ask @Joe MacTeeg.
 
Yes indeed , exactly what I said , and I said I would be happy if I were wrong, but the evidence doesn't indicate that, however , one elder told me that he has a couple friends who also have opinions and yet they keep quiet and that's what I should do...I told him I am not made like that , if I see my brothers in danger from false shepherd and prophets I will warn them..
 

Driven

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While your letter is indeed very well presented, you of course know that they will most likely throw it aside as "conspiracy theory" , that is the term used for anyone who raises evidence against the vaccinations, and thus against the GB . I think though if you feel the need to do such then by all means carry on. The best any of us can do is make sure we have a clean conscience before God. I have had two phone calls from the body of Elders in my Congregation, telling me that there will be a "judicial Committee" for my comments on FB about the fact I believe that apostasy has happened in the organization , and that the GB is part of it , as is evident from their stand on the promotion of the vaccine as coming from Jehovah to his Channel .....I have presented numerous medical journals and such against all of it...masking , social distancing and the mandating of vaccines.....but it just is ignored...and I would be surprised if anyone is going to read or respond to it , but hey , you never know which elder might have a brain still. In my case, all they said after all that I presented , and this just over the phone and on FB which was one of the reasons for the 'Judicial Committee." , it is that they were sorry that they were the bearers of bad news....alluding to the action coming against me.
Two Brothers have at least reached out to me saying ....what if you are wrong.....or it is just conjecture ( my postings of evidence against the vaccines) . so a desire to follow men, the GB , is the only thing in the minds of these so called shepherds. They can easily detect an apostate or wrongdoer in the congregation, but not if the evidence points to the GB. I have been absolutely amazed by these men, men I thought were intelligent and whose only desire is to serve Jehovah Whole souled, that I felt under any circumstances understood what exclusive devotion meant, but instead have found to be only followers of men, willing to attack anyone who dared to say a word , even if supported by scripture and bible principles.
You are in my prayers and good for you for taking a stand. You’re awesome and it’s nice to read your posts.
 
It was, we just didn’t know it yet 😕
I was baptized in June 5, 1982 but started to study in May 1980 and wished in some respects that I had read the book a watchtower slave of 40 years...but then again , I would not have learned anything about Jehovah and Jesus if it were not for the witnessing of my Dad who told me about paradise and the fact that being perfect would mean be inclined to do good and not bad....that was outstanding to me.
But you are right....it is amazing to me that we , the rank and file witness, whether your anointed or not, cannot do as the new members of the GB can, and that is question and then cause to change wrong understandings and views...without repercussions . They can flip flop without anyone even questioning it....well except for us....LOL
 

Sunshower

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I was baptized in June 5, 1982 but started to study in May 1980 and wished in some respects that I had read the book a watchtower slave of 40 years...but then again , I would not have learned anything about Jehovah and Jesus if it were not for the witnessing of my Dad who told me about paradise and the fact that being perfect would mean be inclined to do good and not bad....that was outstanding to me.
But you are right....it is amazing to me that we , the rank and file witness, whether your anointed or not, cannot do as the new members of the GB can, and that is question and then cause to change wrong understandings and views...without repercussions . They can flip flop without anyone even questioning it....well except for us....LOL
True. My mom says she regrets telling us about what she learned (she was baptised around the same time as you, I was baptised in the late 90s). But like you say, we wouldn’t have know about Jehovah and Jesus and we would probably never have come here if it wasn’t for that. So I’m glad they taught me the basics, but I’m glad we can really dig into Bible truths here.
 

Nomex

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Thanks for all the nice comments. I haven't had time to go through this whole thread, my home owners insurance went up over a thousand dollars from last year, and we have to have a 4 point inspection done to change to a new company. He wasn't supposed to come for 3 weeks, but my wife signed up for a cancellation and he's coming Monday at 9am, so we have been scrambling to take care of what were minor issues if I didn't have to do everything in 3 days. We had to take down a trampoline and I had to patch a 3 X 1.5 foot sheet rock issue where the shower door was rotting out the drywall. Paint it plaster it etc....plus a few more things. I was so tired today I could hardly walk. It's kind of a bummer because I wanted to gut the whole shower and start from scratch and that was what I was waiting for. I had cut out the dry wall, and saw it went back well beyond the tile in my shower. But other than labor it was a cheap fix. $12 for sheet-rock.
 

Nomex

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If you want some input,
I 100% want input.
Of course, be prepared for the elders to tell you they are just following the slave,

Yeah, that is the M.O. I took out the family history that I posted here, in large part because at least for now, I do want to remain anonymous, and among those who know my family, that would be a well known story, but especially to someone in my family. My Mom is still alive, so whether I follow through with sending this letter, for now I am undecided.
 

Nomex

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@Nomex

they are not going to read that. Take my word for it. it’s too long. They won’t read it.
First of all, I am well aware of what will most like be the reality if I do give them my "letter". I am not sure whether I will actually finish this letter, refine it, and add to it, I I will say this, putting it out there on this forum has for sure given me some relief!
 

Nomex

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Although I believe your letter is very well written and factual, do you really think that the elders will care enough reconsider their stand, especially if it’s contrary to the GB stand?
This is an excellent question and in fact Driven addressed, but i am going to address it myself and a little differently. Now I first want to qualify this response by saying this. What i am about to talk about especially takes courage, and I have not decided that i will indeed follow through, because I have other things to consider that do not only involve me, and that I do not immediately have answers to. Like the fact especially with my daughter I do want her to "marry in the truth." But she's only 9, but this is where my mind goes.

Any way to the point.

One thing many of us did not realize and maybe many of you have never thought about this, but Jehovah never brings judgement without a warning message first. Clearly that is part of what Robert has been doing. So knowing what i know, from my experiences and perspective, would it be righteous for me to keep silent knowing what I know? Now the question remains, am I that righteous? Can I face the reality of what that entails. Ostracized by the only family I have ever known, to stand by my convictions?

Well in large part they have already been doing that and have been doing so for years, but still, up until "Covid" I still attended meetings, the assemblies etc.

But now I have children, and it is not obvious what to do to raise them "in the truth" which I want nothing more.

I have found more answers here than I have in 20 plus years, but those answers left new questions.

But let me clarify what I will be doing if, and it's still a big "if", I send finish this letter and give it to them.

Number one, they will pass it on to the C.O. The C.O. will pass it on to headquarters, and you never know who will read it, and who will be effected by it. Just like the book my Grandmother threw in the trash that my father, fished out and read anyway, and then got baptized in prison, we never know.

So if I do give them this letter it's going to be a middle finger to their corruption and a "I know what you really are" exposure. Maybe I'll throw in there, the real reason they censor, which is because they are liars, and there is nothing liars hate more than the truth!
 
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