Stuck between Scripture and a hard place

4JahandChrist

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After refreshing my memory and talking to my husband I need to correct that it was likely December 2020 when I first saw the article on Conspiracy Theories/Misinformation. I have found the article online, which was the only place that I saw it and it does not have a date.
Ah. Thanks Driven. I was thinking the same. I didn't remember seeing it in 2019 and it came up during the online Bible Study I was attending.....at the start of 2021.

Now I'm going have to retract my retraction. 😁
 

Dynamo

Member
Sunshower:

I'm just new, here on this forum. I posted my experiences over the last year in a post entitled Scamdemic Scriptural Meditation. My response to your post is to consider where you would be if you had not learned the valuable truths which come from only one source and which will never be successfully refuted. Think also about how you truly are in line to be viewed by the only true God as being part of that Great Cloud (Heb 11), with a lineage going all the way back to Abel. Granted, the GB and FDS are subject to a heavy judgement, but so are we. For my part, although it's been challenging to wrap my head around all the serious issues we grapple with, I can't come up with a better response than Peter did to Jesus: "Whom shall I go away to?" Remember that it is Satan and not the GB who fabricated this brilliantly evil scenario and that it would not be wise or reasonable to attribute malice to these ones with whom much has been entrusted. Nor should we expect from them an infallibility which they have never claimed. We are likely to see a comprehensive resolution of this matter at the hands of our eminently just, wise, loving and powerful Father.

I wish you all the Best.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

Well-known member
Sunshower:

I'm just new, here on this forum. I posted my experiences over the last year in a post entitled Scamdemic Scriptural Meditation. My response to your post is to consider where you would be if you had not learned the valuable truths which come from only one source and which will never be successfully refuted. Think also about how you truly are in line to be viewed by the only true God as being part of that Great Cloud (Heb 11), with a lineage going all the way back to Abel. Granted, the GB and FDS are subject to a heavy judgement, but so are we. For my part, although it's been challenging to wrap my head around all the serious issues we grapple with, I can't come up with a better response than Peter did to Jesus: "Whom shall I go away to?" Remember that it is Satan and not the GB who fabricated this brilliantly evil scenario and that it would not be wise or reasonable to attribute malice to these ones with whom much has been entrusted. Nor should we expect from them an infallibility which they have never claimed. We are likely to see a comprehensive resolution of this matter at the hands of our eminently just, wise, loving and powerful Father.

I wish you all the Best.
Yes, the point you make has some gravity, though the issue is not one of sin, per se, but of perpetuation in lies and dishonesty and critically, performing these things under the guise of Jehovah’s name. It is true that we are all guilty of sin, but if you compare the issues of sin comparatively with the words of Jesus to the Pharisees, the criticism and much of the reasonable anger rests upon the same rock of contention - and that is one of lies, pride, abuses of and to the flock and a multitude of other issues such as meddling with the meaning of truth, self aggrandisement, greed, avarice, involvement with the world in commerce and financial gain and fraternising with evil intent for gain, e.g., their dalliance with investments in nefarious companies, harming the brethren for gain (vaccines and selling of their property dedicated to Jehovah) and worse, perverting Jehovah’s truth for gain through paying fines for child sexual abuse with money that was dedicated to the furtherance of the truth - and so the list goes on. There is no excuse, acknowledgement or repentance from them and hence the justification for retort.

Compare what Jesus said to the Pharisees “ You are from your father, the devil …”and what he said to the woman caught in adultery and about to be stoned to death. First to the crowd (and as you so rightly point out) “Let you who is without sin, cast the first stone…” and turning to the woman, said, “Who accuses you? (after the crowd had dispersed)…then neither do I.…”, then the critical issue of value in judgement. “ Go your way and sin no more.” Thus harsh criticism has its place to alert others, and then tempered with mercy when there is a point to be gained, is also used at the appropriate juncture for a witness to the truth. The problem with the Governing body though is that they have already been told and the telling has been done with humility. Yet all was rejected and not only rejected, but over the years sins have been added to over and again. They did not “sin no more” but continued in and added to their sins. Thus in analysis of your justifiable and welcome comment, who does the GB mimic? The crowd ready to kill another for their sin, or the woman, who chastised, sent on her way in repentance and told to sin no more?

I have yet to meet anyone on this site who does not recognise their own vulnerability to sinning, and to their awareness of being “unworthy” of any consideration before Jehovah, hence, “miserable man that I am for what I should do, I do not do…” but is that the point in criticism of the GB? I do not think so. It is the watchtower’s continuance of their transgression in the face of rebuke that is in contention here, just as Jesus said to the Pharisees - it is not said without due reason. Are we not commanded to hate evil? To speak out against it? To warn the flock? In recognition of such, Jehovah says that His inspection of this earth’s inhabitants will begin in His own House. Thus if evil is rife in His own House, how can we ignore it? It is fact. Gratuitous mockery is unnecessary I suppose, but even that is evident amongst Jehovah’s own people with their fickle tendency to take a piece out of another over imperfections. But how does one compare that with shunning and the heartless, unreasoned treatment sanctioned by watchtower through their abusive and thoughtless application of misunderstood analysis of scripture? Yes, Jehovah has provided watchtower, but for those not introduced to the truth via watchtower, do you think Jehovah will not provide for them, or that in their lack of understanding, but righteous heart, that Jehovah will neglect them? The watchtower is hardly the only means of gathering such together. All those who “hear” the words of Jesus and recognise his voice will be subject just as much as those within the watchtower to mercy in their judgement by Jehovah. I dare say that everyone here has truth in their heart, though perhaps, like me, it is not greatly described in knowledge, - rather than their head where without its component part of love, is worth nothing. Likewise for the “great crowd which no one can number”.
 

SusanB

Well-known member
Sunshower:

I'm just new, here on this forum. I posted my experiences over the last year in a post entitled Scamdemic Scriptural Meditation. My response to your post is to consider where you would be if you had not learned the valuable truths which come from only one source and which will never be successfully refuted. Think also about how you truly are in line to be viewed by the only true God as being part of that Great Cloud (Heb 11), with a lineage going all the way back to Abel. Granted, the GB and FDS are subject to a heavy judgement, but so are we. For my part, although it's been challenging to wrap my head around all the serious issues we grapple with, I can't come up with a better response than Peter did to Jesus: "Whom shall I go away to?" Remember that it is Satan and not the GB who fabricated this brilliantly evil scenario and that it would not be wise or reasonable to attribute malice to these ones with whom much has been entrusted. Nor should we expect from them an infallibility which they have never claimed. We are likely to see a comprehensive resolution of this matter at the hands of our eminently just, wise, loving and powerful Father.

I wish you all the Best.
I want to give you my condolences for your loss and I hope that you are able to continue on a faithful path and I think it is apparent that you are a person of faith. I am so thankful to Jehovah that he has seen fit to reveal to me the truths from his word and I thank him daily for that. Unfortunately those who have taken the religious titles of “Governing Body” and “Faithful and Discreet Slave” are really taking something that does not belong to them. Jesus, the one we would never want to stop following, himself said the following at Matthew 23:8-12: “But you, do not you be called Rabbi, for one is your Teacher, and all of you are brothers. Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One. Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ. But the greatest one among you must be your minister. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted”.

Those who follow Jesus should not take religious titles and my reasoning tells me that anyone calling themselves a governing body over others is in fact using a religious title and I see no difference between that and the rise of a clergy class. Especially in light of how they now believe they can issue blanket health instructions to over 8 million people as Anthony Morris did in his update when he said “get vaccinated if you can”.

I have to ask if it is proper to refer to them as the ”Faithful and Discreet Slave”. It was Jesus who posed the question, “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave..?”. I doubt if Jesus would approve of using that as a religious title before he comes to seal the anointed. That question seems to take on new meaning now, at least in my mind. Doesn’t it imply that some, in our time, could trick others into believing they were the FDS? In fact Jesus continues on in Matthew 24 to talk about an evil slave. That seems to confirm that false brothers would present themselves as faithful and discreet when in fact they may be weeds as opposed to wheat. We cannot know who may be faithful, or evil or who perhaps just does not understand as the account in Luke 12 shows is a possibility. I firmly believe it will be Jesus who provides the definitive answer to who really is the FDS. And, that also gives new meaning, in my mind, to Romans 8:19: “For the creation is waiting with eager expectation for the revealing of the sons of God”. And, Daniel 12:3: “And those having insight will shine as brightly as the expanse of heaven, and those bringing the many to righteousness like the stars, forever and ever”. And, Matthew 13:43: “At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. Let the one who has ears listen”.

I have also thought a lot about when Peter said “…whom shall we go away to?” What I notice is that he didn’t ask where to go but to WHOM. Another scripture to meditate on is Matthew 18:20: “For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst”. The new covenant is between Jesus and anointed individuals, not a corporation.
 

Dynamo

Member
Yes, the point you make has some gravity, though the issue is not one of sin, per se, but of perpetuation in lies and dishonesty and critically, performing these things under the guise of Jehovah’s name. It is true that we are all guilty of sin, but if you compare the issues of sin comparatively with the words of Jesus to the Pharisees, the criticism and much of the reasonable anger rests upon the same rock of contention - and that is one of lies, pride, abuses of and to the flock and a multitude of other issues such as meddling with the meaning of truth, self aggrandisement, greed, avarice, involvement with the world in commerce and financial gain and fraternising with evil intent for gain, e.g., their dalliance with investments in nefarious companies, harming the brethren for gain (vaccines and selling of their property dedicated to Jehovah) and worse, perverting Jehovah’s truth for gain through paying fines for child sexual abuse with money that was dedicated to the furtherance of the truth - and so the list goes on. There is no excuse, acknowledgement or repentance from them and hence the justification for retort.

Compare what Jesus said to the Pharisees “ You are from your father, the devil …”and what he said to the woman caught in adultery and about to be stoned to death. First to the crowd (and as you so rightly point out) “Let you who is without sin, cast the first stone…” and turning to the woman, said, “Who accuses you? (after the crowd had dispersed)…then neither do I.…”, then the critical issue of value in judgement. “ Go your way and sin no more.” Thus harsh criticism has its place to alert others, and then tempered with mercy when there is a point to be gained, is also used at the appropriate juncture for a witness to the truth. The problem with the Governing body though is that they have already been told and the telling has been done with humility. Yet all was rejected and not only rejected, but over the years sins have been added to over and again. They did not “sin no more” but continued in and added to their sins. Thus in analysis of your justifiable and welcome comment, who does the GB mimic? The crowd ready to kill another for their sin, or the woman, who chastised, sent on her way in repentance and told to sin no more?

I have yet to meet anyone on this site who does not recognise their own vulnerability to sinning, and to their awareness of being “unworthy” of any consideration before Jehovah, hence, “miserable man that I am for what I should do, I do not do…” but is that the point in criticism of the GB? I do not think so. It is the watchtower’s continuance of their transgression in the face of rebuke that is in contention here, just as Jesus said to the Pharisees - it is not said without due reason. Are we not commanded to hate evil? To speak out against it? To warn the flock? In recognition of such, Jehovah says that His inspection of this earth’s inhabitants will begin in His own House. Thus if evil is rife in His own House, how can we ignore it? It is fact. Gratuitous mockery is unnecessary I suppose, but even that is evident amongst Jehovah’s own people with their fickle tendency to take a piece out of another over imperfections. But how does one compare that with shunning and the heartless, unreasoned treatment sanctioned by watchtower through their abusive and thoughtless application of misunderstood analysis of scripture? Yes, Jehovah has provided watchtower, but for those not introduced to the truth via watchtower, do you think Jehovah will not provide for them, or that in their lack of understanding, but righteous heart, that Jehovah will neglect them? The watchtower is hardly the only means of gathering such together. All those who “hear” the words of Jesus and recognise his voice will be subject just as much as those within the watchtower to mercy in their judgement by Jehovah. I dare say that everyone here has truth in their heart, though perhaps, like me, it is not greatly described in knowledge, - rather than their head where without its component part of love, is worth nothing. Likewise for the “great crowd which no one can number”.
I don't have knowledge of all the "sins" you've alluded to, nor did I mention the word in my original post to Sunshower. Also, I refuse to wrangle on this forum. Despite the imperfections of the individual men, what has been wrought in terms of an understanding of scriptural accurate knowledge stands on its own and is unique and cannot be successfully refuted. The Truth has indeed set us free, in many ways, from expecting a political solution to man's problems, to knowing how little time is left in this system, to the doctrinal pitfalls of Babylon the Great, to the restoration of use of the very name of God. The list goes on and on. That represents, by way of an illustration, a beautiful baby. And as the old saying goes, we should lift that kid clear out of the basin before disposing of the bathwater.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

Well-known member
I want to give you my condolences for your loss and I hope that you are able to continue on a faithful path and I think it is apparent that you are a person of faith. I am so thankful to Jehovah that he has seen fit to reveal to me the truths from his word and I thank him daily for that. Unfortunately those who have taken the religious titles of “Governing Body” and “Faithful and Discreet Slave” are really taking something that does not belong to them. Jesus, the one we would never want to stop following, himself said the following at Matthew 23:8-12: “But you, do not you be called Rabbi, for one is your Teacher, and all of you are brothers. Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One. Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ. But the greatest one among you must be your minister. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted”.

Those who follow Jesus should not take religious titles and my reasoning tells me that anyone calling themselves a governing body over others is in fact using a religious title and I see no difference between that and the rise of a clergy class. Especially in light of how they now believe they can issue blanket health instructions to over 8 million people as Anthony Morris did in his update when he said “get vaccinated if you can”.

I have to ask if it is proper to refer to them as the ”Faithful and Discreet Slave”. It was Jesus who posed the question, “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave..?”. I doubt if Jesus would approve of using that as a religious title before he comes to seal the anointed. That question seems to take on new meaning now, at least in my mind. Doesn’t it imply that some, in our time, could trick others into believing they were the FDS? In fact Jesus continues on in Matthew 24 to talk about an evil slave. That seems to confirm that false brothers would present themselves as faithful and discreet when in fact they may be weeds as opposed to wheat. We cannot know who may be faithful, or evil or who perhaps just does not understand as the account in Luke 12 shows is a possibility. I firmly believe it will be Jesus who provides the definitive answer to who really is the FDS. And, that also gives new meaning, in my mind, to Romans 8:19: “For the creation is waiting with eager expectation for the revealing of the sons of God”. And, Daniel 12:3: “And those having insight will shine as brightly as the expanse of heaven, and those bringing the many to righteousness like the stars, forever and ever”. And, Matthew 13:43: “At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. Let the one who has ears listen”.

I have also thought a lot about when Peter said “…whom shall we go away to?” What I notice is that he didn’t ask where to go but to WHOM. Another scripture to meditate on is Matthew 18:20: “For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst”. The new covenant is between Jesus and anointed individuals, not a corporation.
Really salient scriptures that you mention there Driven. I find those most helpful. What you say is true about the governing body. They are self appointed and no one has the right, or ability for that matter, to direct the pathway of another, as they, the GB, assume such upon themselves. The act of Teaching insofar as the scriptures are concerned, appears to have more in common with setting a veritable truth before others and leaving it for their consideration within their hearts and with others whom are like minded. Its value is found in its application within our lives. As the scripture you quoted says, no one person is master, only Christ. Truth, it seems, has its value in being freely given away by those who have found it for others to apply in their own lives. The watchtower prefer to sell it, and sell it at a profit too.
 

Medi-tator

Well-known member
I don't have knowledge of all the "sins" you've alluded to, nor did I mention the word in my original post to Sunshower. Also, I refuse to wrangle on this forum. Despite the imperfections of the individual men, what has been wrought in terms of an understanding of scriptural accurate knowledge stands on its own and is unique and cannot be successfully refuted. The Truth has indeed set us free, in many ways, from expecting a political solution to man's problems, to knowing how little time is left in this system, to the doctrinal pitfalls of Babylon the Great, to the restoration of use of the very name of God. The list goes on and on. That represents, by way of an illustration, a beautiful baby. And as the old saying goes, we should lift that kid clear out of the basin before disposing of the bathwater.
The question needs to be "how does Jehovah feel about the baby?".
 

Ms_ladyblue

Well-known member
The question needs to be "how does Jehovah feel about the baby?".
I agree Med. ☺️

1 Cor. 13:2 “And if I have the gift of prophecy and understand all the sacred secrets and all knowledge, and if I have all the faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.”

The apostle Paul was referring, not only to himself but to those whom Jesus would use to further the good news. So obviously this would hold true for those today who have imparted the accurate knowledge we learned in the beginning. Can they turn from being good to doing bad? Absolutely…Judas was chosen by the perfect man, Jesus and I’m sure he had knowledge too. Would we have insisted Jesus continue to use him just because he imparted knowledge to some?

No! Because, simply put, he did not have LOVE.
 

SusanB

Well-known member
I don't have knowledge of all the "sins" you've alluded to, nor did I mention the word in my original post to Sunshower. Also, I refuse to wrangle on this forum. Despite the imperfections of the individual men, what has been wrought in terms of an understanding of scriptural accurate knowledge stands on its own and is unique and cannot be successfully refuted. The Truth has indeed set us free, in many ways, from expecting a political solution to man's problems, to knowing how little time is left in this system, to the doctrinal pitfalls of Babylon the Great, to the restoration of use of the very name of God. The list goes on and on. That represents, by way of an illustration, a beautiful baby. And as the old saying goes, we should lift that kid clear out of the basin before disposing of the bathwater.
I don’t think anyone here is throwing scriptural “TRUTHS” out. If that is the baby you refer to. The source of scriptural truth is Jehovah and it is also expressed through his son, the Word. I noticed that you don’t address the scriptures that I quoted, nor do you point to scriptures to prove your point. In fact, you use an inappropriate illustration, much like trinitarians do to explain 3 in 1.

Some think the “baby” might be the man of lawlessness and if that is the case, then the baby’s father isn’t Jehovah. Isn’t it interesting that BibleStudent is just now making a come back. I knew it was getting too calm on the forum.
 

יהוה_saves

Well-known member
Despite the imperfections of the individual men, what has been wrought in terms of an understanding of scriptural accurate knowledge stands on its own and is unique and cannot be successfully refuted.
Are you talking about Watchtower (WT) No, it does NOT stand on its own in terms of achievement of scriptural understanding. Other movements (and individuals) expressed identical “understanding of Scripture” long before Russell arrived in Allegheny, as he certainly did NOT come up with WT theology of his accord. He borrowed a slew of ideas from more than one source, and incorporated them in with his own, often bizarre and unscriptural doctrines, that were strongly influenced by his father who was an initiate of 32° Freemasonry - this is documented fact.

Also, I refuse to wrangle on this forum
Proverbs 18:17 The first to plead his case seems right, until another comes and examines him.

Please understand this is a discussion forum- this is how discussion forums function- it’s not personal, but i def get what you mean.

stands on its own and is unique and cannot be successfully refuted.
If you’re speaking solely of scripture, i would agree. the bible itself cannot be discredited as the holy inspired word of God.

but it appears you’re speaking of WT doctrine, in that case, oh yes it most certainly can be and has already been successfully discredited- and the conclusion is that WT theology is a product that was/is born neither of inspiration nor infallibility. Furthermore, WT passes its consistently incorrect theology, and multiple prophetic failure(s) off as “old light”, while exploiting the term “new light” for absurd cover stories, ie WT’s new definition of “generation”.

After removing every unscriptural, questionable, and unchristian practice and every codified, man made rule establsihed by majority votes in secret governing body sessions, and thusly passing the winner off as “truth” to its unwittting masses, whatever is left is certainly NOT unique to WT, it never was, and never will be.

Besides, it doesn’t matter, WT is a wholly apostate organization that has ruinously profaned the name of God, tragically reduced its own brotherhood to a collective of fearful child-like adults who’re unable or unwilling to articulate or act in their own self-interest and worse, the interests of their own children, harbors chronic, repeat child molesters, used some CIA fashioned mind control technique to somehow convince JWs that these mRNA injections are in one accord safe, necessary and optional, resulting in an uptake so great amongst the brotherhood that Jehovah is bound to intervene for the sake of his own name that WT has deeply profaned among the nations, and to save his own people from self-inflicted extinction. (Matt 24:22)
 

jay

Well-known member
Are you talking about Watchtower (WT) No, it does NOT stand on its own in terms of achievement of scriptural understanding. Other movements (and individuals) expressed identical “understanding of Scripture” long before Russell arrived in Allegheny, as he certainly did NOT come up with WT theology of his accord. He borrowed a slew of ideas from more than one source, and incorporated them in with his own, often bizarre and unscriptural doctrines, that were strongly influenced by his father who was an initiate of 32° Freemasonry - this is documented fact.


Proverbs 18:17 The first to plead his case seems right, until another comes and examines him.

Please understand this is a discussion forum- this is how discussion forums function- it’s not personal, but i def get what you mean.


If you’re speaking solely of scripture, i would agree. the bible itself cannot be discredited as the holy inspired word of God.

but it appears you’re speaking of WT doctrine, in that case, oh yes it most certainly can be and has already been successfully discredited- and the conclusion is that WT theology is a product that was/is born neither of inspiration nor infallibility. Furthermore, WT passes its consistently incorrect theology, and multiple prophetic failure(s) off as “old light”, while exploiting the term “new light” for absurd cover stories, ie WT’s new definition of “generation”.

After removing every unscriptural, questionable, and unchristian practice and every codified, man made rule establsihed by majority votes in secret governing body sessions, and thusly passing the winner off as “truth” to its unwittting masses, whatever is left is certainly NOT unique to WT, it never was, and never will be.

Besides, it doesn’t matter, WT is a wholly apostate organization that has ruinously profaned the name of God, tragically reduced its own brotherhood to a collective of fearful child-like adults who’re unable or unwilling to articulate or act in their own self-interest and worse, the interests of their own children, harbors chronic, repeat child molesters, used some CIA fashioned mind control technique to somehow convince JWs that these mRNA injections are in one accord safe, necessary and optional, resulting in an uptake so great amongst the brotherhood that Jehovah is bound to intervene for the sake of his own name that WT has deeply profaned among the nations, and to save his own people from self-inflicted extinction. (Matt 24:22)
Nice hearing from you. Missed your thoughts/comments.
 

kenmuldoon55

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I'm staying in at least as long as the preaching work continues. JWs understand basic Bible doctrines correctly and I want to give as many people as possible a chance to know Jehovah.
“Trying to get as many a chance to know Jehovah as possible” via the JW preaching work.
Sounds like trying to book as many passengers on the titanic as possible.
Jehovahs arm isn’t cut short in His ability to find right hearted ones and stretch His cloak of protection over them.
Most worldly people who survive will come to their senses ,not through any preaching campaigns by JW.org and their flimsy street carts, but through the earth shaking events of the Great Tribulation and the subsequent prophesying work of Christ’s fully empowered brothers who’ll be kings in the fullest sense while still in the flesh.
That’s how and when Jesus separates the sheep from goats.
The near extinction level event of mankind will shake many to their senses and provide the needed conditions for growing all the seeds of truth that have been planted in better times.
Haggai 2:7 describes it nicely “and I will shake all nations; and the precious things of all nations shall come; and I will fill this house with glory, saith Jehovah of hosts.”
 
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LifeLearning

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Dynamo is BibleStudent...she crawled out of her hole to post as "Dynamo" and to like her own posts as "Biblestudent" she can't help it...

Glad your back...call me anytime!
I suspect BibleStudent posts using several new usernames. Not sure why s/he needs to be so obscure. (how many have you created?) Everyone has said things they later regret. I for one appreciate when people call me out for saying something that is in error, or something that is harsh. The quest to learn mercy over judgement has been a long one for me.

There is not a more faithful group of people I have found elsewhere. BibleStudent must feel the same way or would have moved on.

Glad you're (still here).. call me anytime!
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

Well-known member
“Trying to get as many a chance to know Jehovah as possible” via the JW preaching work.
Sounds like trying to book as many passengers on the titanic as possible.
Jehovahs arm isn’t cut short in His ability to find right hearted ones and stretch His cloak of protection over them.
Most worldly people who survive will come to their senses ,not through any preaching campaigns by JW.org and their flimsy street carts, but through the earth shaking events of the Great Tribulation and the subsequent prophesying work of Christ’s fully empowered brothers who’ll be kings in the fullest sense while still in the flesh.
That’s how and when Jesus separates the sheep from goats.
The near extinction level event of mankind will shake many to their senses and provide the needed conditions for growing all the seeds of truth that have been planted in better times.
Haggai 2:7 describes it nicely “and I will shake all nations; and the precious things of all nations shall come; and I will fill this house with glory, saith Jehovah of hosts.”
Now you mention it Ken, many of the rich and famous who were booked on titanic strangely cancelled at the last minute!
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

Well-known member
Dynamo is BibleStudent...she crawled out of her hole to post as "Dynamo" and to like her own posts as "Biblestudent" she can't help it...

Glad your back...call me anytime!
Now the pieces fit. I was surprised that someone should like their own comment - would anyone write a comment they did not like? I suppose that is possible, but if you didn’t like what you wrote, how could you then ‘like’ it? And then Biblestudent says she is not going to argue about what she writes on a site made for arguing articles of faith. She reminds me of Churchill‘s comment on Russia describing it as “A riddle, wrapped in a mystery inside and enigma.” I came across this presentation from both young and old at work quite regularly and it is more common than you think, specially amongst politicians. By the way, I “liked” your comment Nomex, ….but did I mean it…or am I BibleStudent in disguise hacking Robert’s site….Tune in next week for another argument!
 
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