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[White Stone]

Do you have a link to the long version?

I used the e-sword LT app and downloaded all the volumes of the Ante-Nicene Fathers book. It’s free though there are other books to download that must be paid. It also have many translations of the Bible there for free.

You will be surprised at the difference of the two. I’ve checked again the first chapter of his epistle to the Ephesians, and already saw the corruption in the first chapter.

It has both the shorter and longer version. It may be better and easier to compare it in a computer than through a phone as you will see.

 

[White Stone]

I have searched of the letter of Ignatius to the Ephesians, and all the websites that I read used the shorter version. No wonder that you said the catholics rely on him.

 

[The God Pill]

Here is what St. Justin Martyr says (Dialogue with Trypho ch. 73) about the alleged removal of the words "from the wood":
Justin: And from the ninety-fifth (ninety-sixth) Psalm they have taken away this short saying of the words of David: 'From the wood.' For when the passage said, 'Tell among the nations, the Lord has reigned from the wood,' they have left, 'Tell among the nations, the Lord has reigned.' Now no one of your people has ever been said to have reigned as God and Lord among the nations, with the exception of Him only who was crucified, of whom also the Holy Spirit affirms in the same Psalm that He was raised again, and freed from [the grave], declaring that there is none like Him among the gods of the nations: for they are idols of demons. But I shall repeat the whole Psalm to you, that you may perceive what has been said. It is thus: 'Sing unto the Lord a new song; sing unto the Lord, all the earth. Sing unto the Lord, and bless His name; show forth His salvation from day to day. Declare His glory among the nations, His wonders among all people. For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: He is to be feared above all the gods. For all the gods of the nations are demons but the Lord made the heavens. Confession and beauty are in His presence; holiness and magnificence are in His sanctuary. Bring to the Lord, O you countries of the nations, bring to the Lord glory and honour, bring to the Lord glory in His name. Take sacrifices, and go into His courts; worship the Lord in His holy temple. Let the whole earth be moved before Him: tell among the nations, the Lord has reigned. For He has established the world, which shall not be moved; He shall judge the nations with equity. Let the heavens rejoice, and the earth be glad; let the sea and its fullness shake. Let the fields and all therein be joyful. Let all the trees of the wood be glad before the Lord: for He comes, for He comes to judge the earth. He shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with His truth.'

Trypho: Whether [or not] the rulers of the people have erased any portion of the Scriptures, as you affirm, God knows; but it seems incredible.

Justin: Assuredly, it does seem incredible. For it is more horrible than the calf which they made, when satisfied with manna on the earth; or than the sacrifice of children to demons; or than the slaying of the prophets. But you appear to me not to have heard the Scriptures which I said they had stolen away. For such as have been quoted are more than enough to prove the points in dispute, besides those which are retained by us, and shall yet be brought forward.

 

[White Stone]

Here is what St. Justin Martyr says (Dialogue with Trypho ch. 73) about the alleged removal of the words "from the wood":
Justin: And from the ninety-fifth (ninety-sixth) Psalm they have taken away this short saying of the words of David: 'From the wood.' For when the passage said, 'Tell among the nations, the Lord has reigned from the wood,' they have left, 'Tell among the nations, the Lord has reigned.' Now no one of your people has ever been said to have reigned as God and Lord among the nations, with the exception of Him only who was crucified, of whom also the Holy Spirit affirms in the same Psalm that He was raised again, and freed from [the grave], declaring that there is none like Him among the gods of the nations: for they are idols of demons. But I shall repeat the whole Psalm to you, that you may perceive what has been said. It is thus: 'Sing unto the Lord a new song; sing unto the Lord, all the earth. Sing unto the Lord, and bless His name; show forth His salvation from day to day. Declare His glory among the nations, His wonders among all people. For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: He is to be feared above all the gods. For all the gods of the nations are demons but the Lord made the heavens. Confession and beauty are in His presence; holiness and magnificence are in His sanctuary. Bring to the Lord, O you countries of the nations, bring to the Lord glory and honour, bring to the Lord glory in His name. Take sacrifices, and go into His courts; worship the Lord in His holy temple. Let the whole earth be moved before Him: tell among the nations, the Lord has reigned. For He has established the world, which shall not be moved; He shall judge the nations with equity. Let the heavens rejoice, and the earth be glad; let the sea and its fullness shake. Let the fields and all therein be joyful. Let all the trees of the wood be glad before the Lord: for He comes, for He comes to judge the earth. He shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with His truth.'

Trypho: Whether [or not] the rulers of the people have erased any portion of the Scriptures, as you affirm, God knows; but it seems incredible.

Justin: Assuredly, it does seem incredible. For it is more horrible than the calf which they made, when satisfied with manna on the earth; or than the sacrifice of children to demons; or than the slaying of the prophets. But you appear to me not to have heard the Scriptures which I said they had stolen away. For such as have been quoted are more than enough to prove the points in dispute, besides those which are retained by us, and shall yet be brought forward.

I’m reading right now chapter 17-35 which speaks about the circumcision. He expanded well the example aside from Abraham.

“For if it were necessary, as you suppose, God would not have made Adam uncircumcised would not have had respect to the gifts of Abel when, being uncircumcised, he offered sacrifice and would not have been pleased with the uncircumcision of Enoch, who was not found, because God had translated him. Lot, being uncircumcised, was saved from Sodom, the angels themselves and the Lord sending him out. Noah was the beginning of our race; yet, uncircumcised, along with his children he went into the ark.”-Ante-Nicene Fathers Volume 1, Dialogue with Trypho Chapter 19

 

[MickHewitt]

Christianity eventually destroyed Rome: Even though they (Romans) inculcated their saturnalia into Christian festivals there was more return to following Christ than all the deities and cults demanded by Rome. Now Empire knows this and has done everything to take away the divinity of Christ and replace it with the state! It's multi gendered state that Putin and Xi openly despise. I truly feel these ones are the vengence upon the arrogance of the West! That's why Zion will greet and help a great crowd!

They are still dismantling JFK's work: The 4 Califorinian Dams recently destroyed to bring deserts and rivers back to their originality were the instigation of JFK. 1Hr 10 min

It shows what just a little bit of loving statecraft can achieve. No wonder it had to be stopped!

 

[The God Pill]

I read last night that my second favorite Bible scholar Michael Heiser died about two weeks ago I'm hoping Barker persist long enough to finish her last book that's near finished as she's almost two decades older than he was.

 

[Seadog]

I just finished reading the Greek Scriptures again. Probably continue with the prophets Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, etc... I should review the Hebrew Scriptures, but some parts are difficult for me to assimilate. Especially those parts that have to do with animal sacrifices, I suffer a lot with it. Nor is it easy for me to read certain violent events in the history of Israel, too much bloodshed.

On the other hand, I am currently reading about a treatment for many diseases called CDS (Chlorine Dioxide). The experiences on its use are very positive. In countries like Bolivia, it has come to save many lives affected by Covid and also by the vaccine. There are also many experiences of the cure of many diseases, including cancer. I wonder how many treatments have been kept hidden by the elite, preventing the cure of many diseases.

I’ve just come off 18 days of cds. Really helped With prostitus!!! Tastes shocking tho

 

[Deborah]

It is wonderful the variety of subjects you all are reading. It is good to learn and grow intellectually etc., being able to have great conversations with others.

In my younger days I loved self help books. Now as someone one stated about their PEA BRAIN
my shrinking brain only wants nonsense books.

I love what is called cozy mysteries and Indian mysteries. Why cozy, who knows, but I enjoy them on a rainy day with a cup of hot tea and lemon.
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[The God Pill]

I remember @PJ54 mentioned the Kohlbrin Bible a while ago I haven't checked that out yet but I am halfway through the Kailedy gospel and while it has some minor issues it's a way better sayings gospel than the so called gospel of "thomas" it's about the length of a canonical gospel and gives you the chronology, context and often person/s spoken to of all the parables it presents.

 

[The God Pill]

It's crazy how densely these lead book pages can get. To be clear I hardly agree with or endorse her on everything Barker tends to have feminist and malthusian environmentalist biases and she always clang to the school of thought of the holy spirit as wisdom rather than the Son despite Paul's clear words. But this was interesting nevertheless.

 

[White Stone]

Reading Apocrypha– Revelation of Paul

 

[White Stone]

I see that the letter is about the reward for the righteous and the wicked, how our deeds have been written and witness to by the angels, for the day of judgment. That when the resurrection of the dead happens, they will received their reward, those who live
righteously to life, those did not, to everlasting fire, worms etc. But there is also the hope for the unrighteous, by means of the ransom, if they have shown mercy to others.

I see that the author has great respect for Mary, so much as he referred her as the Mother of God. At this instance, I read the remaining paragraphs with my guard up much more.

On my opinion, the work on a whole, can be upbuilding to do what is good and right, and also can develop Godly fear that one must make decisions so as not to have these punishments, similar to Jesus’ parables.

It’s like a fan-fiction, with elements of truth but must be read with caution as all other works should.

 

[The God Pill]

I haven't read it so can't say first hand but I remember reading a few years ago that the apocalypse of Paul and one other apocalypse associated with a Christian figure were altered repackagings of the apocalypse of Peter (apocalypse of Peter was a 2nd century forgery that almost made it into the canon at the council of Nicea it is the text where the hellfire doctrine came from) again though haven't read apocalypse of Paul unlike the Peter one so can't evaluate yet

"I see that the letter is about the reward for the righteous and the wicked, how our deeds have been written and witness to by the angels, for the day of judgment. That when the resurrection of the dead happens, they will received their reward, those who live righteously to life"

I'd certainly agree our deeds are recorded and that there are advocates, probably prosecution and testimony for and against us.

 

[White Stone]

I haven't read it so can't say first hand but I remember reading a few years ago that the apocalypse of Paul and one other apocalypse associated with a Christian figure were altered repackagings of the apocalypse of Peter (apocalypse of Peter was a 2nd century forgery that almost made it into the canon at the council of Nicea it is the text where the hellfire doctrine came from) again though haven't read apocalypse of Paul unlike the Peter one so can't evaluate yet

"I see that the letter is about the reward for the righteous and the wicked, how our deeds have been written and witness to by the angels, for the day of judgment. That when the resurrection of the dead happens, they will received their reward, those who live righteously to life"

I'd certainly agree our deeds are recorded and that there are advocates, probably prosecution and testimony for and against us.

I’ve read the apocalypse of Peter but just in few paragraphs. Can’t stomach to read all of that.

 

[The God Pill]

I see that the letter is about the reward for the righteous and the wicked, how our deeds have been written and witness to by the angels, for the day of judgment. That when the resurrection of the dead happens, they will received their reward, those who live
righteously to life, those did not, to everlasting fire, worms etc. But there is also the hope for the unrighteous, by means of the ransom, if they have shown mercy to others.

I see that the author has great respect for Mary, so much as he referred her as the Mother of God. At this instance, I read the remaining paragraphs with my guard up much more.

On my opinion, the work on a whole, can be upbuilding to do what is good and right, and also can develop Godly fear that one must make decisions so as not to have these punishments, similar to Jesus’ parables.

It’s like a fan-fiction, with elements of truth but must be read with caution as all other works should.

I'm a third way through it right now. I'll comment today or tomorrow after I've finished

 

[The God Pill]

I see that the letter is about the reward for the righteous and the wicked, how our deeds have been written and witness to by the angels, for the day of judgment. That when the resurrection of the dead happens, they will received their reward, those who live
righteously to life, those did not, to everlasting fire, worms etc. But there is also the hope for the unrighteous, by means of the ransom, if they have shown mercy to others.

I see that the author has great respect for Mary, so much as he referred her as the Mother of God. At this instance, I read the remaining paragraphs with my guard up much more.

On my opinion, the work on a whole, can be upbuilding to do what is good and right, and also can develop Godly fear that one must make decisions so as not to have these punishments, similar to Jesus’ parables.

It’s like a fan-fiction, with elements of truth but must be read with caution as all other works should.

Finished. I'll pm after work

 

[The God Pill]

Right now reading is going well Kohlbrin bible is on pause, I'm 40% way through ovid's metamorphosis, nearly done with book one of Aristotles metaphysics and starting dostoyevsky's crime and punishment. Genesis onkelos is complete reading Exodus onkelos and the Isaiah targum on and off. Havent started yet but today a used copy of one of Margaret Barker's books The Great High Priest the temple roots of Christian liturgy arrived in the mail.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Right now reading but its going well Kohlbrin bible is on pause, I'm 40% way through ovid's metamorphosis, nearly done with book one of Aristotles metaphysics and starting dostoyevsky's crime and punishment. Genesis onkelos is complete reading Exodus onkelos and the Isaiah targum on and off. Havent started yet but today a used copy of one of Margaret Barker's books The Great High Priest the temple roots of Christian liturgy arrived in the mail.

What did you get from Ovid? I have a copy but cannot draw anything if value from it. Wonderful woodcuts though.

 

[The God Pill]

What did you get from Ovid? I have a copy but cannot draw anything if value from it. Wonderful woodcuts though.

Wanted to brush up on the state of Greco-Roman mythology roughly contemporary to early Christianity as I was only familiar with abrigred versions of the works of Homer. Also the second coming of Saturn book goes a lot into the influence of the books take on the golden age of Saturn and secret societies and the founding fathers also the geologist that runs the mudfossil university youtube channel is obsessed with metamorphosos. So far honestly the most value I can see is just having the familiarity to more easily identify anything later in history influenced, derivative or referential

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Wanted to brush up on the state of Greco-Roman mythology roughly contemporary to early Christianity as I was only familiar with abrigred versions of the works of Homer. Also the second coming of Saturn book goes a lot into the influence of the books take on the golden age of Saturn and secret societies and the founding fathers also the geologist that runs the mudfossil university youtube channel is obsessed with metamorphosos. So far honestly the most value I can see is just having the familiarity to more easily identify anything later in history influenced, derivative or referential

Certainly the early romantic thinkers had a far more natural theology. Have you read Simplicius’ commentaries on Aristotle (there are three) and his similar work on Epictetus? I think their value lie in understanding what is effectively an academic theology without the science. In other words, an attempt to understand creation unfettered by the detail we have today of scientific discovery. If there is value to be had it is the “simplicity” (pardon the pun) of their ’natural’ enquiry into laws of nature. The value is that Simplicius examines the causal roots of the thinking of Aristotle and Epictetus, rather than try to make sense of it all. A sort of biography rather than an explanation if you see what I mean. Very heavy going though - a sort of archeological dig (using a teaspoon, rather than a shovel) into references to a generic thinking long since abandoned for the modern mathematical explanation for creation/science. In analysis, though the argument therein adds colour and background into fringe theology of the time, it rather pales with the factual poetry of the bible. It sounds rather arrogant to say it, and perhaps it is, but the works of those great writers of the time are far more akin to romantic poetry than truth and therein the critical difference lies, in that there is little to gain. I found my copy (printed in 1700) in a charity shop for £12. Such is the value of his work deemed today!