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I don't mind people speculating on the above and people can take my input with as much salt as they like and there's nothing here the slightest but critical or contentious simply thinking out loud but I feel I must warn people those ideas of heavenly rebellion before Adam's fall originated from the Sethian tradition that were partially adopted by branches of gnosticism, some Christian persuasions and Islam. John Milton kind of tweaked the idea of the books of Adam and Eve from the rebellion of some angels refusing to worship Adam to Jesus instead.
I do love Milton mind you most of his beliefs aligned with witnesses and his paradise regained book was good I feel partly do to the cultural influence of paradise lost that there is a tendency to have an elevated view of the devil's original position and popularity among the angelic hosts so many think he was the first or highest angel after Jesus for some reason I think the adversary was a cherub possibly also a seraph in the garden his original position under Gabriel's authority (as Gabriel is described in Enoch as over paradise and the cherubs and seraphs) the pre flood fallen angels appear to have initially assisted humanity in response to people calling on Jehovah but the leader of that group expressed the desire to get involved with the women and whether out of shared improper desires or "were in this together" conradery they joined him. It didn't have much to do with Satan initially but doubtless he was very pleased by the chaos and wickedness and going by some texts the spirit creature aspect of the hybrid offsprings biology became Satan's minions after there bodies died in the flood.
The one scenario where I could imagine more than a couple hundred fallen angels aligned with Satan is if the revealing of the sacred secret the elevation of the humans making up the bride of Christ to an immortal position above the angels triggers/ed a prideful response and defection of some a hypothetical third wave of defection (second the post Babel princes)
Personally while the devil is certainly as an enemy of Jehovah God I see him more as Jesus nemesis than a grand arch foe of the omnipotent creator from Jehovah's pov he's probably more of an anticipated speed bump in the grand design.
It appears that the whole purpose of creating earthly life in the image of God was, so as to settle certain aspects of the issue of moral autonomy that, by design could not be addressed in the spirit realm, and not the start of a branching out and diversifying of life in another dimension for the purpose of making life prolific and ubiquitous for its own sake.
The reason for this seems to be that the consequences of malign moral self determination cannot be played out in the spirit realm, where, for example, lies and slander cannot be told because the Source of Truth is always at hand and consultable to verify any accusation and the intent behind it.
Similarly, things like murder and such, are also not possible in the spirit realm; hence the huge consequences of moral deviancy - the exceeding sinfulness of sin - were likely winked at and trivialized by those craving moral independence from God, where these rebels at heart just expected everybody else to put up with them making a nuisance of themselves, by their own selfish desire.
That is why this physical realm was created, as a theatrical spectacle for man and angels, a laboratory with a framework protocol within which these moral issues could be played out on us poor lab 'rats' here; and then some of these entitled angels have the nerve to complain when Jehovah elevates certain ones of these 'rats' to immortality, and appoints them as judges over them; well, suck it up, is all I can say, for it is precisely because of them and their narcissism, that we have been suffering here in this mess for the past 6000 years, with tears and pains that they seem utterly clueless about, for although they use the same measuring unit for length as us - big deal - the 'young man' in the flaming magnesium dress sitting in Jesus' empty tomb, telling the two stunned women to, 'Stop being stunned,' seemed to have been out of his depth in comprehending what it means to be human, and a 'little lower' than them, who behold Jehovah's face every day. 1 Co 6:3; 1 Co 4:9; Re 21:17; Mk 16:5,6; Mat 18:10