EUROPE IMMINENT COLLAPSE

Well, unlike you, I see the patriots taking control of everything. I see military tribunals judging the perpetrators of all this genocide against humanity. I see all corrupt institutions eliminated, including the judiciary. The total collapse of the entire world system. People will no doubt cry out for "peace and safety", they will even think that they have achieved it, and then they will admire the beast and worship his image. The problem will be that Christ will have caught them by surprise then.
My experience of America is shallow to say the least, but I think it safe to say that America sees the world through its own eyes. Patriotism being a major factor. In Europe, patriotism is a long dead icon of empire’s that died in the ashes of the First World War. It survived and still does to a degree, in communists states, past and present, but excepting China and north Korea it is very much in decline elsewhere. People will be placated not through patriotism when the end comes, but through provision. That is the meaning of globalisation, ergo, the absence of state, and the infliction of control through provision, regulation and penalty. The cruelty of end-game patriotism was illustrated by the British empire, not just for its cruelty though, but for its failure. That is largely how globalism came into the fore as the only alternative, and money is it’s maker, not patriotism.
 
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Its not about Patriotism. It is about Imperialism vs the Nation State. But how would you know that right?
You're too busy trying to brow beat people into your way of false reasoning and thinking. BTW deception is unbecoming and stupid. You're not stupid are you? Just a bit rude too, maybe just a little bit?
 
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Its not about Democracy vs Patriotism. It is about Imperialism vs the Nation State. But how would you know that right?
You're too busy trying to brow beat people into your way of false reasoning and thinking. BTW deception is unbecoming and stupid. You're not stupid are you? Just a bit rude too, maybe just a little bit?
It's a pity that rude people can't be blocked on the forum. As a Christian you don't even have the shadow. I am not trying to mislead, I am just sharing what I have come to discern from my study of the scriptures and my observation of events. However, others prefer to seek oracles that tell them exactly how to interpret the prophecies. They have no critical thinking of their own and apparently no education. For me from this moment you do not exist in the forum. And if you keep insulting me and disrespecting me, the problem will not be yours, but the administrators. They will be responsible for what they consent to.
 
It's a pity that rude people can't be blocked on the forum. As a Christian you don't even have the shadow. I am not trying to mislead, I am just sharing what I have come to discern from my study of the scriptures and my observation of events. However, others prefer to seek oracles that tell them exactly how to interpret the prophecies. They have no critical thinking of their own and apparently no education. For me from this moment you do not exist in the forum. And if you keep insulting me and disrespecting me, the problem will not be yours, but the administrators. They will be responsible for what they consent to.

Posting in Spanish a different text to the hidden message you directed at me in English Do you not think that is rude. and disrespectful? And deceptive?
 
My experience of America is shallow to say the least, but I think it safe to say that America sees the world through its own eyes. Patriotism being a major factor. In Europe, patriotism is a long dead icon of empire’s that died in the ashes of the First World War. It survived and still does to a degree, in communists states, past and present, but excepting China and north Korea it is very much in decline elsewhere. People will be placated not through patriotism when the end comes, but through provision. That is the meaning of globalisation, ergo, the absence of state, and the infliction of control through provision, regulation and penalty. The cruelty of end-game patriotism was illustrated by the British empire, not just for its cruelty though, but for its failure. That is largely how globalism came into the fore as the only alternative, and money is it’s maker, not patriotism.
"The Lord will raise his voice at the head of his army, because his camp is very numerous. He who keeps his word is mighty. The day of the Lord is great and terrifyingly awesome. Who can resist it?" Joel 2:11

When you read Joel's prophecy, you notice that a military force such as has never before existed on earth is described. "Never before has there been one like it, nor will there ever be again for the years of all your generations." says Joel 2:2

"It has never existed before." This indicates that a military power such as humanity has never seen will appear. That is why I believe that what has to appear has nothing to do with the globalist elite. Rather, it is related to a military alliance of countries that are against globalism, and therefore are nationalist.

Only something like this can stop the genocidal plans of the elite. In fact, Joel's prophecy says that "the Lord will raise his voice above his army." I ask, Jehovah leading an army backed by the satanic elite to impart justice in the world?... I don't see it.
 
Your comment made me turn over in my mind a fact in relation to Job. If we look closely, the Devil did not act against Job without first appearing before Jehovah and having his consent to carry out what he intended, that is, using Job to discredit God and humiliate him as Sovereign of the universe.

That reinforces in me the idea that Satan cannot act without the consent of God, that is, he governs with limits. And also, the letter of Judas in verse 9 relates that Michael had to fight or dispute with Satan over the body of Moses, although the reason is not explained, but that it had been buried by Jehovah himself, through his angels I understand. Deuteronomy 34:5-6

Another angelic fight is mentioned by the prophet Daniel, who describes an angel coming to him in a vision. In Daniel 8:16 and 9:21, Gabriel tells Daniel that he had been "resisted" by a demon called "the prince of Persia", until Archangel Michael came to help Daniel 10:13.

Or the case of Daniel 12:1 where he says "the great prince who is on the side of the sons of your people." This highlights Michael's protective role in that case towards the people of Israel.

Another interesting story is the one found in 2 Chronicles 18. Jehovah reunited with his angels, they agree how to defeat King Ahab. An angel offers to deceive him and Jehovah himself gave him his consent and also assured him that he would succeed and he did. I'm sure there are more examples in the Bible.

So in my opinion we can draw a conclusion. Both angels and demons fight spiritual battles involving God's servants and even nations, and the demons resist the angels and try to prevent them from fulfilling God's will.

It is for this reason that I believe that Christ is in control, seeing to it that God's purpose is fulfilled. The Devil has defied God, but that does not mean that God has his hands tied. In a fair battle, both armies must have a chance to use their strategy to gain victory.
"But indeed, for this reason I have allowed you to remain, in order to show you My power and in order to proclaim My name throughout the earth. Still you exalt yourself against My people by not letting them go."
Exodus 9:16‭-‬17

"The God who made the world and everything that is in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made by hands; nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things; and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, that they would seek God, if perhaps they might feel around for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His descendants.’ So having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now proclaiming to mankind that all people everywhere are to repent, because He has set a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all people by raising Him from the dead.”
Acts 17:24‭-‬28‭, ‬30‭-‬31
 
"But indeed, for this reason I have allowed you to remain, in order to show you My power and in order to proclaim My name throughout the earth. Still you exalt yourself against My people by not letting them go."
Exodus 9:16‭-‬17

"The God who made the world and everything that is in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made by hands; nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things; and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, that they would seek God, if perhaps they might feel around for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His descendants.’ So having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now proclaiming to mankind that all people everywhere are to repent, because He has set a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all people by raising Him from the dead.”
Acts 17:24‭-‬28‭, ‬30‭-‬31
That is another example that God is always in control of everything. If not, how far would his arch enemy go? He logically he would get the victory.

For example, when two people row in the same direction, it is easy to reach a safe haven. But what happens when one of them rows in the opposite direction?... It is impossible to reach the destination.

Similarly, if Jehovah has a purpose and the Devil constantly rows against him, will not the Almighty have to intervene to reach the destination? Obviously!

Notice that Jesus said, "The sower sows the word. These, then, are those along the road where the word is sown; but as soon as they have heard it, Satan comes and takes away the word that has been sown in them." Mark 4:14,15

He also said: "The field is the world. The good seed are the children of the Kingdom. The weeds are the children of the Evil One and the enemy who sowed them is the Devil. The harvest is the conclusion of a system and the harvesters are the angels." Matthew 13:38,39

If his Father and Son were not in control, the purpose of the kingdom would be frustrated, because the Devil always plays dirty and will do anything to win, his life depends on it. But in the art of war, our God uses even the enemy's tricks for his own benefit. It is spectacular!!!
 
"The Lord will raise his voice at the head of his army, because his camp is very numerous. He who keeps his word is mighty. The day of the Lord is great and terrifyingly awesome. Who can resist it?" Joel 2:11

When you read Joel's prophecy, you notice that a military force such as has never before existed on earth is described. "Never before has there been one like it, nor will there ever be again for the years of all your generations." says Joel 2:2

"It has never existed before." This indicates that a military power such as humanity has never seen will appear. That is why I believe that what has to appear has nothing to do with the globalist elite. Rather, it is related to a military alliance of countries that are against globalism, and therefore are nationalist.

Only something like this can stop the genocidal plans of the elite. In fact, Joel's prophecy says that "the Lord will raise his voice above his army." I ask, Jehovah leading an army backed by the satanic elite to impart justice in the world?... I don't see it.
I’m the wrong person to argue prophesy. I have no idea where the army you mention may come from. Clearly were it of an earthly realm, we would know about it and the only one I can think of is NATO. However, there are only so many nuclear bombs one can ignite before the ones sending them suffer the same result as those they are aimed at. I have always assumed that the greatest army is that of the spiritual realm and certainly, it would never need to be seen again. Regardless who ever does what to whom, and how big their army is, is not something I worry about, being a global army or one raised by patriotic people, it will all end the same way. I hope my faith holds out.
 
"The Lord will raise his voice at the head of his army, because his camp is very numerous. He who keeps his word is mighty. The day of the Lord is great and terrifyingly awesome. Who can resist it?" Joel 2:11

When you read Joel's prophecy, you notice that a military force such as has never before existed on earth is described. "Never before has there been one like it, nor will there ever be again for the years of all your generations." says Joel 2:2

"It has never existed before." This indicates that a military power such as humanity has never seen will appear. That is why I believe that what has to appear has nothing to do with the globalist elite. Rather, it is related to a military alliance of countries that are against globalism, and therefore are nationalist.

Only something like this can stop the genocidal plans of the elite. In fact, Joel's prophecy says that "the Lord will raise his voice above his army." I ask, Jehovah leading an army backed by the satanic elite to impart justice in the world?... I don't see it.
Hi Cherry, that is a very interesting scripture you are pointing out. I think it’s also interesting to see the way other translations word this. Here is the Contemporary English version of Joel 2:2:”
2 It will be dark and gloomy
with storm clouds overhead.
Troops will cover the mountains
like thunderclouds.
No army this powerful
has ever been gathered before
or will be gathered again
.”

Then when I read further in Joel it describes what this army is like. I noticed Joel 2:5 says “The sound is like that of chariots as they leap on the mountaintops, Like the crackling of a blazing fire that consumes stubble. It is like a mighty people drawn up in battle formation.”

What I’m noticing is that it says this army is LIKE mighty people but it doesn’t say they are mighty people. Plus the description of how they are described makes me think of drones. Just wondering out loud.
 
"The Lord will raise his voice at the head of his army, because his camp is very numerous. He who keeps his word is mighty. The day of the Lord is great and terrifyingly awesome. Who can resist it?" Joel 2:11

When you read Joel's prophecy, you notice that a military force such as has never before existed on earth is described. "Never before has there been one like it, nor will there ever be again for the years of all your generations." says Joel 2:2

"It has never existed before." This indicates that a military power such as humanity has never seen will appear. That is why I believe that what has to appear has nothing to do with the globalist elite. Rather, it is related to a military alliance of countries that are against globalism, and therefore are nationalist.

Only something like this can stop the genocidal plans of the elite. In fact, Joel's prophecy says that "the Lord will raise his voice above his army." I ask, Jehovah leading an army backed by the satanic elite to impart justice in the world?... I don't see it.
@Cherry
What you’re pointing out is very logical to me too. In the last few months it has appeared to me that there are two opposing sides, namely a military alliance of countries against globalism…It seems as though they are building up their forces to oppose these elitists who have been committing this genocide. This is very plausible…but I’m thinking out loud as well.
 
Hi Cherry, that is a very interesting scripture you are pointing out. I think it’s also interesting to see the way other translations word this. Here is the Contemporary English version of Joel 2:2:”
2 It will be dark and gloomy
with storm clouds overhead.
Troops will cover the mountains
like thunderclouds.
No army this powerful
has ever been gathered before
or will be gathered again
.”

Then when I read further in Joel it describes what this army is like. I noticed Joel 2:5 says “The sound is like that of chariots as they leap on the mountaintops, Like the crackling of a blazing fire that consumes stubble. It is like a mighty people drawn up in battle formation.”

What I’m noticing is that it says this army is LIKE mighty people but it doesn’t say they are mighty people. Plus the description of how they are described makes me think of drones. Just wondering out loud.

Joel 2:2-32. To my way of thinking right or wrong? refers to the anti - typical Chaldean or northerner aka the final manifestation of the King of the north Joel 2:2 -10, 20 namely an eighth king in the form of a revamped U.N. with teeth. Armageddon is in those verses too? Basically Joel Ch 1 to Ch 3 is about the end of the preaching, Joel 1: 8-20 due to the G/T Joel 1: 2 the period of which the remnant are killed,or sometime shortly after? a regathering and then Armageddon. Somewhat abbreviated. The military power is the eighth King,or the anti-typical Chaldean. Joel 1: 6, 2:4-7, 11. When Jehovah is done with the northerner he will drive them away.vs 20. The anti-typical Babylonian is the agency that Jehovah will use to discipline his people shortly, namely spiritual Israel and Jerusalem, similar to how he used the literal Babylonians to discipline literal Jerusalem and Israel.
 
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Hi Cherry, that is a very interesting scripture you are pointing out. I think it’s also interesting to see the way other translations word this. Here is the Contemporary English version of Joel 2:2:”
2 It will be dark and gloomy
with storm clouds overhead.
Troops will cover the mountains
like thunderclouds.
No army this powerful
has ever been gathered before
or will be gathered again
.”

Then when I read further in Joel it describes what this army is like. I noticed Joel 2:5 says “The sound is like that of chariots as they leap on the mountaintops, Like the crackling of a blazing fire that consumes stubble. It is like a mighty people drawn up in battle formation.”

What I’m noticing is that it says this army is LIKE mighty people but it doesn’t say they are mighty people. Plus the description of how they are described makes me think of drones. Just wondering out loud.
I would not be surprised if there was some strange new weapon that emerges as time goes by. The Russians have hinted at it more than once, and the 9/11 tragedy is not without its signature of advanced weaponry. The scriptures on the matter provide the greatest insight as you suggest, with the unusual but dated references they use - have any of us heard chariots leap on mountain tops? I am pretty certain they are not referring to ‘mountain bikes’. As you point out, ‘like’ mighty people, does not necessarily mean mighty people but we can only conjecture what it might be. The only likeness that I can think of and that may have already been used to great effect, and that may produce such a sound would likely be an energy weapon. They already exist.
 
Joel 2:2-32. To my way of thinking right or wrong? refers to the anti - typical Chaldean or northerner aka the final manifestation of the King of the north Joel 2:2 -10, 20 namely an eighth king in the form of a revamped U.N. with teeth. Armageddon is in those verses too? Basically Joel Ch 1 to Ch 3 is about the end of the preaching, Joel 1: 8-20 due to the G/T Joel 1: 2 the period of which the remnant are killed,or sometime shortly after? a regathering and then Armageddon. Somewhat abbreviated. The military power is the eighth King,or the anti-typical Chaldean. Joel 1: 6, 2:4-7, 11. When Jehovah is done with the northerner he will drive them away.vs 20. The anti-typical Babylonian is the agency that Jehovah will use to discipline his people shortly, namely spiritual Israel and Jerusalem, similar to how he used the literal Babylonians to discipline literal Jerusalem and Israel.
I agree that Joel 2 is referring to the final manifestation of the King of the North aka the northerner. But what I am just now “computing” is the fact that in chapter 2 it describes an ”army” that perhaps is not a human army because of the description, such as its being unique, “Never before has there been one like it, And never again will there be another Through the years of all generations“. Nothing escapes from it. It has the appearance of horses and runs “like” warhorses. It has a sound “like” chariots as they leap on the mountaintops and it also sounds “like” the crackling of blazing fire. It is described as being “like” a mighty people but it is not outright called mighty people. This army charges “like” warriors, they scale a wall ”like” soldiers and they stay their course without swerving. They don’t shove one another and if they fall from “weapons” the others do not break ranks. In human terms do you know any soldier who doesn’t stop to render aid to a fallen fellow soldier? They are also described as rushing into the city and running on the wall, climbing onto houses, through windows like a thief. “Before them the land trembles and the heavens rock”. Then the chapter talks about Jehovah imploring his people to return to him and he will bless them and he will drive the northerner away from them. Anyway, I am just now really focusing in on this particular chapter and the way it is worded.
 
Here is Joel 2:1-13 from ”The Message” bible translation:

1-3 Blow the ram’s horn trumpet in Zion!
Trumpet the alarm on my holy mountain!
Shake the country up!
God’s Judgment’s on its way—the Day’s almost here!
A black day! A Doomsday!
Clouds with no silver lining!
Like dawn light moving over the mountains,
a huge army is coming.
There’s never been anything like it
and never will be again.
Wildfire burns everything before this army
and fire licks up everything in its wake.
Before it arrives, the country is like the Garden of Eden.
When it leaves, it is Death Valley.
Nothing escapes unscathed.
4-6 The locust army seems all horses—
galloping horses, an army of horses.
It sounds like thunder
leaping on mountain ridges,
Or like the roar of wildfire
through grass and brush,
Or like an invincible army shouting for blood,
ready to fight, straining at the bit.
At the sight of this army,
the people panic, faces white with terror.
7-11 The invaders charge.
They climb barricades. Nothing stops them.
Each soldier does what he’s told,
so disciplined, so determined.
They don’t get in each other’s way.
Each one knows his job and does it.
Undaunted and fearless,
unswerving, unstoppable.
They storm the city,
swarm its defenses,
Loot the houses,
breaking down doors, smashing windows.
They arrive like an earthquake,
sweep through like a tornado.
Sun and moon turn out their lights,
stars black out.
God himself bellows in thunder
as he commands his forces.
Look at the size of that army!
And the strength of those who obey him!
God’s Judgment Day—great and terrible.
Who can possibly survive this?
 
"33 and the legs were of iron, as well as half of the feet, while the other half was of baked clay.
34 Suddenly, and while her Majesty was contemplating the statue, a rock that no one dislodged came and struck the feet of iron and clay of the statue, and broke them to pieces." Daniel 2: 33-34

At the moment the feet are made of "iron and baked clay". Communism (disguised as globalism and progress) the hammer and sickle. On the other hand, the baked clay, the land, (conservative traditions) the mother country, nationalism, the flag. They can never mix.

Although it is already a fact that the Anglo-American power has lost its hegemony, the fall of the dollar would definitely be the coup de grâce to the beast, without even counting on a war.

In the future, the beast will be reborn, recovering from the blow, but it will no longer be the same. He will regain all his power and wealth thanks to the patriots. In fact, they will make an image of you to admire and adore. The globalist satanic elite will have neither the adoration nor the admiration of the kings and peoples of the earth. It is my perception.
The copper, silver and gold are emblematic of empires. I think it highly improbable to attribute the iron and clay to sociological aspects of modern day geopolitics? No the Iron and clay represent two modern day opposing systems the U.S.A & Brittania! Dan 11:26 talks of the two kings (iron and clay) also the two horns sitting at one table deceiving one another.....the KOTS eventual demise is by the ones eating his delicacies......The demise of the North is by the stone hewn not by hand and we know who this is...Christ and Zion!
 
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The copper, silver and gold are emblematic of empires. I think it highly improbable to attribute the iron and clay to sociological aspects of modern day geopolitics? No the Iron and clay represent two modern day opposing systems the U.S.A & Brittania! Dan 11:26 talks of the two kings (iron and clay) also the two horns sitting at one table deceiving one another.....the KOTS eventual demise is by the ones eating his delicacies......The demise of the North is by the stone hewn not by hand and we know who this is...Christ and Zion!
And attitudes will likely change after the horsemen ride.
 
human terms do you know any soldier who doesn’t stop to render aid to a fallen fellow soldier? They are also described as rushing into the city and running on the wall, climbing onto houses, through windows like a thief. “Before them the land trembles and the heavens rock”.

Cherry said that nothing like this has happened before, ie; it's a one off. It is not normal. Recall Jesus said a similar thing.
something about a one off. "It has not happened nor will happen again"? This mighty military force is the agency that Jehovah will use to discipline his people in the near future. What do you think?
 
Cherry said that nothing like this has happened before, ie; it's a one off. It is not normal. Recall Jesus said a similar thing.
something about a one off. "It has not happened nor will happen again"? This mighty military force is the agency that Jehovah will use to discipline his people in the near future. What do you think?
I agree with military force but I also think it looks to me like military operations more and more rely on drones or drone like machinery or robots rather than people. But it could be some other type of technology. I just think it appears it will be non-human perhaps along with human, like a drone. But we will see.
 
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