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Nomex

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I want to elaborate on this a little more also. @White Stone @The God Pill God @TheJehuChariot @BARNABY THE DOG.

The WT does this all the time, but so do a lot of people. They say, "it happened this way in the bible, so..." and they use that to justify their interpretations of things they imagine to be true in their own lives. The most famous WT example is they love to compare themselves to Moses, and Korah's rebellion, to discourage anyone from questioning WT.

Like I said, they leave out context, and there is no better example of "context is King" than this false equivalency of WT and Moses.

Let's dig into this with context shall we???!!!



Jehovah first of all chose Moses, why? "Meekest man on the earth." Even the bible compares Moses as foreshadowing Jesus.

So what did Moses do when God chose him by appearing to him by means of a burning bush? Did he go declaring his special greatness at having been chosen by God? No, he basically told God, "who am I to be given this great blessing, I don't want it." Why didn't Mose want it? "Meekest man on the earth."

Yet every chance WT gets they not so meekly, compare themselves to Moses!

What about the other instances you mentioned about dreams revealed to people in the bible? Again, "context is king." Who were they reveal to and why!!??? That is the context. The cup bearer and baker, so Joseph could interpret the dream. Jehovah revealed himself through Joseph, Moses, Daniel, and Joseph Jesus step father, why? Because of who those exemplary people were who made it into the bible and because one of them is God's son. By claiming you had a dream from God, you make yourself equal to a man like Moses, who would have never without the prodding of Jehovah himself, be posting about "dreams from God," you think you had.

Sorry to be so blunt, but if you were wise, even if this was true, you'd keep this to yourself. Jesus didn't even begin his ministry until he was 30 years old and until after the Holy Spirirt had been poured out onto him, and then he backed it up with miracles, just like Moses! Oh, the other context WT likes to leave out when comparing themselves to Moses, all the miracles he performed by means of God's spirit....still waiting!
 

White Stone

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I am going to throw in my two cents, as someone having grown up "in the truth" and I know the true first hand extent of how JW's view a certain topic. @White Stone @The God Pill God @TheJehuChariot @BARNABY THE DOG.

I call this particular phenomena "Jehovah's Witnesses ghost stories." I have seen it my entire life. JW's convinced a demon is lurking under the bed, around the corner, in every single thing this side of Armageddon, yet as the GB have just done, "obey the superior authorities." I am an artists, and when I was a teenager, my older brother whom I am convinced was thinking exactly the same thing White stone imagines, he was "reproving me", told my father about a drawing I had done of a paperback book cover I had done of a Conan book. I am sure this instantly raises alarms for someone like White Stone, as it did my brother. I was told my drawing was "demonic" because it depicted "Conan" standing on skulls. I defended myself and said "this is one of my best drawings." My brother told me, "maybe the demons helped you draw it."
Even Robert believes demons can attached to certain things. When the Ephesians became Christians, they burned their magical(demonic) books amounting to great amounts of money. Why? Because they know it is from Satan. Satan wants us to think that this is only a superstition, that it is good as he has done with other things.

What you are missing is this fact, "the whole world lies in the power of the wicked one." The problem with WT indoctrination is they never give you any context. I had a friend of mine insist I remove a sticker of the American flag from a piece of equipment I loaned them, because this person was convinced the American flag would bring demon's into their house. Well I have news for you, one of the most demonic things possible, is in almost every person's wallet at least in the US, the dollar bill. Demonic stuff is everywhere in this world.
Perception and conscience differ from every person. But in all we can, we try to be holy for Jehovah. There are certain things that we have no power to, like the american money and other things. But in things we can, we remove to stay holy. If we were to remove something we don’t have power to—money, then just like as Paul said, we would need to be out of this world.(1 Corinthians 5:10) The context in that verse refers to people, but its principle can be applied to things as well.

There are necessary evil Jehovah allows—unrighteous riches, but He will soon remove them.

WT makes a big deal about all the all kinds of stuff, with zero context. If you are having dreams about the demons, it's because you are thinking too much about the demons, not because the demons are "entering into your dreams." Same reason you think "God entered your dream". It's because that's what you are thinking about.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. At that time, like Robert, I was indulge in reading the Bible back to back. Effect of the anointing perhaps? That’s also the time I question the 1914 and searched the truth about it.

Anyway, the fact that in my dream where my sister is possessed and is about to attack me, has a meaning. And I have came to a conclusion that she may be playing again with games featuring magic and spiritism, which I found to be true when I questioned her about it. Was this just a superstition? A coincidence?


You are the navigator of your dreams. Usually, they go where you want them to. Sometimes circumstances effect our dreams, but only because it's what we are thinking about. Dreams are your sub-conscience working out problems of the conscience mind, plain and simple. Sorry, but you are not Joseph, Jacob's son, or Joseph, Mary's husband, Daniel, and interestingly it only happened a handful of times in the bible, including to Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Babylon, you're not that either!
I guess you had the wrong perception of one having dreams. It does not mean that one has become a seer or of that sort. As I said, it can be a communication to which we are answered. I will again share my experience.

I was about to get involve directly in a movement about anti-mandatory vaccination because the government has imposed a no vax no-ride in all public transportations. I was deeply grieved and heartbroken when I saw those people crying because they can’t get to work and they have come far away. The movement was proposing a formal letter to the Congress and Senate to oppose this and they needed our sign even if electronically. I saw this as an opportunity to do a righteous deed for God and for men. I prayed intensely that night to Jehovah, and said that I will do it tomorrow. It was during the dream that He answered me. No, I didn’t see God, or Jesus or an Angel, but I heard a loud voice saying “Deter from the right to vote!”. And in the morning, I conclude that Jehovah don’t want me to get involved in that, and it calmed me.

If you view it as something from my subconscious, something my brain just creates like science has explained, its just an opinion, at least for me.

Many atheist or muslims, even the hardcore ones who opposed, have become a christian, because of a dream. Is that something the brain only creates? I think you are underestimating the power of God and have no faith that He can do those things even now.
 

White Stone

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The WT does this all the time, but so do a lot of people. They say, "it happened this way in the bible, so..." and they use that to justify their interpretations of things they imagine to be true in their own lives. The most famous WT example is they love to compare themselves to Moses, and Korah's rebellion, to discourage anyone from questioning WT.

Like I said, they leave out context, and there is no better example of "context is King" than this false equivalency of WT and Moses.

Let's dig into this with context shall we???!!!


Jehovah first of all chose Moses, why? "Meekest man on the earth." Even the bible compares Moses as foreshadowing Jesus.

So what did Moses do when God chose him by appearing to him by means of a burning bush? Did he go declaring his special greatness at having been chosen by God? No, he basically told God, "who am I to be given this great blessing, I don't want it." Why didn't Mose want it? "Meekest man on the earth."

Yet every chance WT gets they not so meekly, compare themselves to Moses!

What about the other instances you mentioned about dreams revealed to people in the bible? Again, "context is king." Who were they reveal to and why!!??? That is the context. The cup bearer and baker, so Joseph could interpret the dream. Jehovah revealed himself through Joseph, Moses, Daniel, and Joseph Jesus step father, why? Because of who those exemplary people were who made it into the bible and because one of them is God's son. By claiming you had a dream from God, you make yourself equal to a man like Moses, who would have never without the prodding of Jehovah himself, be posting about "dreams from God," you think you had.

Sorry to be so blunt, but if you were wise, even if this was true, you'd keep this to yourself. Jesus didn't even begin his ministry until he was 30 years old and until after the Holy Spirirt had been poured out onto him, and then he backed it up with miracles, just like Moses! Oh, the other context WT likes to leave out when comparing themselves to Moses, all the miracles he performed by means of God's spirit....still waiting!
This here proves that you have the wrong perception about dreams. That having it means someone is now equal to Moses and other prophets. What was the point that I used the chief baker and chief cupbearer, and other non servants of Jehovah? That it does not take to get anointed first to have a dream. Just like King Abimelech had a dream from God warning him as he take Sarah to be his wife.(Genesis 20:3) So even non-anointed can have it. For what purpose? If it is according to God’s will.(James 4:3) That is to guide them what steps to take just as I have shared in my dream above.

I did not spoke for other people but only for me. Different from that of a prophet.


Sorry to be so blunt, but if you were wise, even if this was true, you'd keep this to yourself. Jesus didn't even begin his ministry until he was 30 years old and until after the Holy Spirirt had been poured out onto him, and then he backed it up with miracles, just like Moses! Oh, the other context WT likes to leave out when comparing themselves to Moses, all the miracles he performed by means of God's spirit....still waiting!
Again you are comparing me to Jesus and Moses.

But I would share again a dream that showed how faithless I was.

It was the time of election here in the Philippines just this year, on the month of May to be exact. And the top two choices for Presidency where once rivals in the previous Vice-Presidency.But Marcos lost in the 2016 vice-presidency against Robredo. And now they are again rival for a position, but this time, Presidency. Many have thought that Robredo cheated on the election, and that it may happen again this 2022 election.

Regarding who will win, I am 50/50 for both of them. But as the time of the election nears, I lean more towards Robredo winning that election because of her media presence and support in MSM and social medias.

It was the during that night before the election(starts at 4am the next day), that I heard a shout during my dream: “Hula! Hula! Hula!” A tagalog word which mean can mean “guess” but in this case I came to conclude to “prophesy”. Then I saw Marcos standing in front of me coming out of a submarine then he greets me. Then he gave me a piece of paper with numbers, which I thought is his mobile number.(Could it be the votes? I don't know but is possible)

When I wake up, fear has gotten. What if it did not came true? I would be a false prophet and my previous dreams would also be false. I was deeply concerned also if I say it not to others, I could be violating the command. I reconciled my two concerns, and decided to just share it only to my parents when I woke up. When we checked the initial results in the morning—, Marcos was in for a landslide win. 10 million votes ahead of Robredo! And after many days, Marcos had half of Robredo’s votes, making him ahead of her by about 16 million votes.

Should I have shared my dream to my FB or keep quiet? Just like what you thought, I should keep quiet and avoid being called delusional or something like a prophet or the congregation might disfellowship me of saying such things. Though I have decided to share it where I can be anonymous.

That showed how faithless I was in that time. And I had a thought Jehovah wouldn’t use me anymore to pronounce such things because of my lack of faith.

We live in a faithless generation now much more since Jesus’ time, so I’m not surprised if people will ridicule or mock me. That’s how they treated even the prophet of old and of the disciples.
 

Nomex

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Again you are comparing me to Jesus and Moses.
[B][I]No I am not comparing you to Moses and Jesus....you are doing that![/I][/B]

Everything I said went right over you head. Why? Because you are arrogant. The point is, Jehovah used Moses, why? "Meekest man on the earth."
You, not so much!

You wanna know why I know with supreme confidence, you're dream did not come from God? The same reason I know the GB are not the Faithful and Discrete Slave. Their evidence they are the faithful slave, all you have to do is ask them! That's their evidence! Jump up and down like a chicken, doesn't make you a chicken.
 

Nomex

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A fellow brother in Christ. Searching for the truth since I was anointed on 2021
LOL...yeah... what an arrogant fellow you are. This just pisses me off.
Came from the first generation JW family. I’ve been raised as a JW, but it was til I’m 23 that I’ve decided to be baptized on July 2019 Regional Convention.
I'm gonna really control myself here, by not calling you the .....no I think I'm going to doing it...you are a little :poop: stain!

My father came into the truth in 1945, was studying the bible with JW's and went prison for his faith. Got baptized in prison, he actually had to stand up for his faith....you little c..... ........My mother's grandmother was "in the truth", you little.......erg! You think you are "anointed?" My father, went to prison, got baptized in prison...he was a better man in every way then you are or can hope to be..., you child, I think you'd be wise to just STOP!!!!

Jesus did not get baptized until he was 30!!!!!


Just stop while you're behind!
 
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evw

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I want to elaborate on this a little more also. @White Stone @The God Pill God @TheJehuChariot @BARNABY THE DOG.

The WT does this all the time, but so do a lot of people. They say, "it happened this way in the bible, so..." and they use that to justify their interpretations of things they imagine to be true in their own lives. The most famous WT example is they love to compare themselves to Moses, and Korah's rebellion, to discourage anyone from questioning WT.

Like I said, they leave out context, and there is no better example of "context is King" than this false equivalency of WT and Moses.

Let's dig into this with context shall we???!!!



Jehovah first of all chose Moses, why? "Meekest man on the earth." Even the bible compares Moses as foreshadowing Jesus.

So what did Moses do when God chose him by appearing to him by means of a burning bush? Did he go declaring his special greatness at having been chosen by God? No, he basically told God, "who am I to be given this great blessing, I don't want it." Why didn't Mose want it? "Meekest man on the earth."

Yet every chance WT gets they not so meekly, compare themselves to Moses!

What about the other instances you mentioned about dreams revealed to people in the bible? Again, "context is king." Who were they reveal to and why!!??? That is the context. The cup bearer and baker, so Joseph could interpret the dream. Jehovah revealed himself through Joseph, Moses, Daniel, and Joseph Jesus step father, why? Because of who those exemplary people were who made it into the bible and because one of them is God's son. By claiming you had a dream from God, you make yourself equal to a man like Moses, who would have never without the prodding of Jehovah himself, be posting about "dreams from God," you think you had.

Sorry to be so blunt, but if you were wise, even if this was true, you'd keep this to yourself. Jesus didn't even begin his ministry until he was 30 years old and until after the Holy Spirirt had been poured out onto him, and then he backed it up with miracles, just like Moses! Oh, the other context WT likes to leave out when comparing themselves to Moses, all the miracles he performed by means of God's spirit....still waiting!
You are so right; it's like 'The prince and the princess syndrome' (being a prince or princess in a so called former life)
 

White Stone

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I'm pretty sure, 23 anointed lines up perfectly with 21 year old elders!
I think you are confused. I got baptized when I’m 23, it was two years later that I got the calling. To be exact, 25 years old, which was the time for a levite to enter or have priestly duties.(Number 8:24,25) In Ezra 3:8, Ezra appointed Levites of 20 years old and above to supervise the work on the house of Jehovah. Samuel had the calling when he was a child. But it became more prominent as he got older.

How old was Timothy when he got anointed? The age is not important, it is the understanding regardless of age in the time of the New Covenant.

Much like view of most of JW’s, they view on what they see rather than the heart. I’m glad Jehovah does see things in different way than a man will.

You are so right; it's like 'The prince and the princess syndrome' (being a prince or princess in a so called former life)
Was it envy or pride perhaps that some of you ridicule or mock me? That I want attention and praised? A natural reaction perhaps when someone claims they are a prophet or an anointed?

The more this thread goes, the more it will get attention. Perhaps if you view this thread as something imaginary, then just ignore it and move on. It will just wither away, and drowned by countless other threads of which have more importance.
 
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BARNABY THE DOG.

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I want to elaborate on this a little more also. @White Stone @The God Pill God @TheJehuChariot @BARNABY THE DOG.

The WT does this all the time, but so do a lot of people. They say, "it happened this way in the bible, so..." and they use that to justify their interpretations of things they imagine to be true in their own lives. The most famous WT example is they love to compare themselves to Moses, and Korah's rebellion, to discourage anyone from questioning WT.

Like I said, they leave out context, and there is no better example of "context is King" than this false equivalency of WT and Moses.

Let's dig into this with context shall we???!!!



Jehovah first of all chose Moses, why? "Meekest man on the earth." Even the bible compares Moses as foreshadowing Jesus.

So what did Moses do when God chose him by appearing to him by means of a burning bush? Did he go declaring his special greatness at having been chosen by God? No, he basically told God, "who am I to be given this great blessing, I don't want it." Why didn't Mose want it? "Meekest man on the earth."

Yet every chance WT gets they not so meekly, compare themselves to Moses!

What about the other instances you mentioned about dreams revealed to people in the bible? Again, "context is king." Who were they reveal to and why!!??? That is the context. The cup bearer and baker, so Joseph could interpret the dream. Jehovah revealed himself through Joseph, Moses, Daniel, and Joseph Jesus step father, why? Because of who those exemplary people were who made it into the bible and because one of them is God's son. By claiming you had a dream from God, you make yourself equal to a man like Moses, who would have never without the prodding of Jehovah himself, be posting about "dreams from God," you think you had.

Sorry to be so blunt, but if you were wise, even if this was true, you'd keep this to yourself. Jesus didn't even begin his ministry until he was 30 years old and until after the Holy Spirirt had been poured out onto him, and then he backed it up with miracles, just like Moses! Oh, the other context WT likes to leave out when comparing themselves to Moses, all the miracles he performed by means of God's spirit....still waiting!
That about sums up my thoughts on the matter Nomex. Good points. If, as the bible says, Jehovah is even aware of one sparrow and it’s destiny, He is aware of our needs. I would imagine that “our needs” include the need for peace, encouragement, counsel, rebuke, love, empathy and direction etc etc. These things he has provided by the systems and processes of life and thus we learn and receive from them, our resolve in life should we feel inclined. That Jehovah has provided all things necessary is clear in our relationships with each other and we draw on them according to our needs - needs that we often make for ourselves or that are allow to be written into our psyche. ‘Needs’ are not necessarily what we want, but get, also to deepen, control, reserve, express and sense the issues and critically, temper our responses. These then, form our choices and that is critical of our heart condition. Thus Jehovah will bless a righteous choice of action and make it grow via the emotive strokes we learn from and that he has also provided in others, or from Himself. Surely that is a natural way of growth that will sustain and entrench our responses, rather than through personal direction. I would cite this site as just such an example. (Where one or two of you are together….there shall I be). Jehovah created us, but he wants the satisfaction from that provision to be given Him independently of His governance. Hence freedom of heart - and critically, of mind, choice, insight, appreciation etc that grows into loving and genuine motivation to praise His love for us. I do not grasp the idea that Jehovah acts as a steersman throughout our lives by prodding us with dreams that we may or may not understand and may be subject to our ambiguity in interpretation and that such is a gift from Him. If we cannot respond to the stimuli He has provided for our senses naturally, dreams are hardly going to improve our behaviour and in any event, would, without our first being appreciative of Him, be meaningless. The example of that is Judas. Sitting even at right right hand of truth for three and a half years, the truth was not in him.
 

evw

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I think you are confused. I got baptized when I’m 23, it was two years later that I got the calling. To be exact, 25 years old, which was the time for a levite to enter or have priestly duties.(Number 8:24,25) Samuel had the calling when he was a child. But it became more prominent as he got older.

How old was Timothy when he got anointed? The age is not important, it is the understanding regardless of age in the time of the New Covenant.

Much like view of most of JW’s, they view on what they see rather than the heart. I’m glad Jehovah does see things in different way than a man will.


Was it envy or pride perhaps that some of you ridicule or mock me? That I want attention and praised? A natural reaction perhaps when someone claims they are a prophet or an anointed?

The more this thread goes, the more it will get attention. Perhaps if you view this thread as something imaginary, then just ignore it and move on. It will just wither away, and drowned by countless other threads of which have more importance.
Oh boy, spoken like a true youth; but unfortunately I have to disappoint you, as I am more than satisfied with the assignment I have been given by Jehovah. In which I hope that Jehovah will allow me to keep my feet firmly on the ground for a very long time to come.
 

White Stone

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Oh boy, spoken like a true youth; but unfortunately I have to disappoint you, as I am more than satisfied with the assignment I have been given by Jehovah. In which I hope that Jehovah will allow me to keep my feet firmly on the ground for a very long time to come.
As you should be and all of us. You have no authority to tell what others hope others have or should do in the first place but to preach and teach, as I also don’t have the power to tell others whether they are anointed or not, or any other person except Jehovah. And Jehovah will reveal it soon who are His.

Physical man cannot fathom spiritual matters. I would understand if others cannot understand this things while using science.
 

White Stone

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Wh
No not confused at all...you are not part of the bible Canon!

Not really interested what you think you're importance is....you are arrogant...you're not Timothy, not an associate of Paul, you're just someone who imagines you're something you're not. End of story!
Who says that I am a part of the Bible Canon? Still your confusion shows.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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This here proves that you have the wrong perception about dreams. That having it means someone is now equal to Moses and other prophets. What was the point that I used the chief baker and chief cupbearer, and other non servants of Jehovah? That it does not take to get anointed first to have a dream. Just like King Abimelech had a dream from God warning him as he take Sarah to be his wife.(Genesis 20:3) So even non-anointed can have it. For what purpose? If it is according to God’s will.(James 4:3) That is to guide them what steps to take just as I have shared in my dream above.

I did not spoke for other people but only for me. Different from that of a prophet.



Again you are comparing me to Jesus and Moses.

But I would share again a dream that showed how faithless I was.

It was the time of election here in the Philippines just this year, on the month of May to be exact. And the top two choices for Presidency where once rivals in the previous Vice-Presidency.But Marcos lost in the 2016 vice-presidency against Robredo. And now they are again rival for a position, but this time, Presidency. Many have thought that Robredo cheated on the election, and that it may happen again this 2022 election.

Regarding who will win, I am 50/50 for both of them. But as the time of the election nears, I lean more towards Robredo winning that election because of her media presence and support in MSM and social medias.

It was the during that night before the election(starts at 4am the next day), that I heard a shout during my dream: “Hula! Hula! Hula!” A tagalog word which mean can mean “guess” but in this case I came to conclude to “prophesy”. Then I saw Marcos standing in front of me coming out of a submarine then he greets me. Then he gave me a piece of paper with numbers, which I thought is his mobile number.(Could it be the votes? I don't know but is possible)

When I wake up, fear has gotten. What if it did not came true? I would be a false prophet and my previous dreams would also be false. I was deeply concerned also if I say it not to others, I could be violating the command. I reconciled my two concerns, and decided to just share it only to my parents when I woke up. When we checked the initial results in the morning—, Marcos was in for a landslide win. 10 million votes ahead of Robredo! And after many days, Marcos had half of Robredo’s votes, making him ahead of her by about 16 million votes.

Should I have shared my dream to my FB or keep quiet? Just like what you thought, I should keep quiet and avoid being called delusional or something like a prophet or the congregation might disfellowship me of saying such things. Though I have decided to share it where I can be anonymous.

That showed how faithless I was in that time. And I had a thought Jehovah wouldn’t use me anymore to pronounce such things because of my lack of faith.

We live in a faithless generation now much more since Jesus’ time, so I’m not surprised if people will ridicule or mock me. That’s how they treated even the prophet of old and of the disciples.
One of the most significant traits of the deluded, is their inability to defend their stance without drawing in their experiences that they feel justifies their stand. It is fine to embellish experience with outcomes, as long as one remembers that perception in its detail, is subject to our personal experiences and concept of what happened. The wise person will put his hands up to another’s perception and respect it and withdraw graciously, allowing the other to own his or her own feelings. That’s fine. There is no shame in it or reason to feel defeat. It is the mark of respect to another’s feelings that is our reward. You words will remain with them, and their value (if value there is) will have its outcome in their normal course of consideration. That is as much as we can hope for, and should hope for. It leaves the door open to further discourse. That is the true value. For Us, truth has of itself no value unless we practice it. It brings no respect or grandeur unless it is proved and thus we deceive ourselves in our pride and need for inclusion if we ignore that salient fact. Seeking status amongst others as a seer therefore is folly, for we will be defeated by our own greed for status. Moses found that out. If you take the seat at the lowest table before making utterances that you hope will be of value to others, it will teach you that simple lesson. It is not hard to learn if we are modest and wins fruitful learning as it provides a ground for others to discourse with you knowing that they will be respected for their thinking. The value of a man or woman is measured by his or her friends. My father taught me that. In life, I never ever saw him in the company of others, but when he died, the church was full to overflowing with people the family had never, ever been aware of. Sometimes, oftentimes, we we will never be aware of the impact we have upon others, or our own values and how these may rub off on others, therefore our conduct in discussion will speak for us. In reality, we are dust upon scales and are soon forgotten. You really are dreaming without meaning if you think otherwise!
 

White Stone

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One of the most significant traits of the deluded, is their inability to defend their stance without drawing in their experiences that they feel justifies their stand. It is fine to embellish experience with outcomes, as long as one remembers that perception in its detail, is subject to our personal experiences and concept of what happened. The wise person will put his hands up to another’s perception and respect it and withdraw graciously, allowing the other to own his or her own feelings. That’s fine. There is no shame in it or reason to feel defeat. It is the mark of respect to another’s feelings that is our reward. You words will remain with them, and their value (if value there is) will have its outcome in their normal course of consideration. That is as much as we can hope for, and should hope for. It leaves the door open to further discourse. That is the true value. For Us, truth has of itself no value unless we practice it. It brings no respect or grandeur unless it is proved and thus we deceive ourselves in our pride and need for inclusion if we ignore that salient fact. Seeking status amongst others as a seer therefore is folly, for we will be defeated by our own greed for status. Moses found that out. If you take the seat at the lowest table before making utterances that you hope will be of value to others, it will teach you that simple lesson. It is not hard to learn if we are modest and wins fruitful learning as it provides a ground for others to discourse with you knowing that they will be respected for their thinking. The value of a man or woman is measured by his or her friends. My father taught me that. In life, I never ever saw him in the company of others, but when he died, the church was full to overflowing with people the family had never, ever been aware of. Sometimes, oftentimes, we we will never be aware of the impact we have upon others, or our own values and how these may rub off on others, therefore our conduct in discussion will speak for us. In reality, we are dust upon scales and are soon forgotten. You really are dreaming without meaning if you think otherwise!
How would you explain a color to a blind person since birth? It would be hard to explain since they don’t have the experience there in.

Dream can just have a benefit to the one who had it himself or unless Jehovah gives someone to prove it externally like some sort of prophecy like about the election I had.

I don’t know why you had doubts Jehovah can send a message through a dream, plainly or figuratively. Other than of course if there are pre-conceived ideas or lack of faith.

To those who have experienced it, they can resonate with me and understand. But to those who had not experienced it and think it is impossible, it will be like explaining colors to a person who is blind since birth.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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How would you explain a color to a blind person since birth? It would be hard to explain since they don’t have the experience there in.

Dream can just have a benefit to the one who had it himself or unless Jehovah gives someone to prove it externally like some sort of prophecy like about the election I had.

I don’t know why you had doubts Jehovah can send a message through a dream, plainly or figuratively. Other than of course if there are pre-conceived ideas or lack of faith.

To those who have experienced it, they can resonate with me and understand. But to those who had not experienced it and think it is impossible, it will be like explaining colors to a person who is blind since birth.
Actually, as part of my secular work as a social worker, I have explained colours to a colour blind person and a blind and deaf person who had little understanding of speech. I was there at the introduction of email and worked with a deaf/blind person in communication. You could consider the ways around communication with a deaf/blind person from birth and how to do this via external expression and translation of understanding. I have explained homosexuality to a deaf/blind person, sung songs with him via touch and introduced him to the dimensions of space and time. How about formation of an external language to those who have no insight into what language is and does not have an internal voice. Tell me how to make a shopping list with no internal voice. Show affection appropriately without touch, explain an operation to someone who has little idea of what is inside his body, or how about reconstructing pain and suffering, spatial awareness and loss and change into an understanding that can be tolerated emotionally and does not leave the subject in fear and uncertainty. How often have you sat with the dying, sensory deprived person and had something to say?
So you have insight into dreams and “resonate” with people. What do you have of value in this regard that resonates in a positive and instructive manner. Of course Jehovah can make a person dream. That is not the question. It is why should He when He is looking for faith and heartfelt change. As Jesus said, “you have seen and believed. Blessed more are those who have not seen yet believe.” I dearly value Jehovah‘s interest in leading me in the avenues of faith, but He does not make me eat of it, or dream of it. That is for me to choose and rightly so. What makes us privileged and who gives us insight into the mind of Jehovah? And why, why are dreams from Jehovah special to anyone other than ourselves? Are we to follow those dreamers? Why do we think that being so blessed, gives us an authority or insight above that of another? Do we not seek Jehovah through the agony of our hearts? Appreciation? Thankfulness?. We do not boast about it, but keep His blessing in our hearts and share the joy modestly - perhaps for the very reason that boasting about such things invites ridicule. The word has always been served through discussion as equals searching for the same understanding. Some are appointed as teachers. For them, they need our support because the responsibility, though joyful, bears with it trials in faith. For the rest of us, we sit at the low table and wait to be invited to greater things.

In truth, if you think that one cannot communicate colour values with a colourblind or blind person, it is unwise to show your ignorance as an example of faith In dreams - is it not? Likewise with dreams. It is unwise to interpret them when we have no authority to do so. If you wish to reply in braille, sign language, or touch, texture or sensory means, feel free.
 

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Actually, as part of my secular work as a social worker, I have explained colours to a colour blind person and a blind and deaf person who had little understanding of speech. I was there at the introduction of email and worked with a deaf/blind person in communication. You could consider the ways around communication with a deaf/blind person from birth and how to do this via external expression and translation of understanding. I have explained homosexuality to a deaf/blind person, sung songs with him via touch and introduced him to the dimensions of space and time. How about formation of an external language to those who have no insight into what language is and does not have an internal voice. Tell me how to make a shopping list with no internal voice. Show affection appropriately without touch, explain an operation to someone who has little idea of what is inside his body, or how about reconstructing pain and suffering, spatial awareness and loss and change into an understanding that can be tolerated emotionally and does not leave the subject in fear and uncertainty. How often have you sat with the dying, sensory deprived person and had something to say?
So you have insight into dreams and “resonate” with people. What do you have of value in this regard that resonates in a positive and instructive manner. Of course Jehovah can make a person dream. That is not the question. It is why should He when He is looking for faith and heartfelt change. As Jesus said, “you have seen and believed. Blessed more are those who have not seen yet believe.” I dearly value Jehovah‘s interest in leading me in the avenues of faith, but He does not make me eat of it, or dream of it. That is for me to choose and rightly so. What makes us privileged and who gives us insight into the mind of Jehovah? And why, why are dreams from Jehovah special to anyone other than ourselves? Are we to follow those dreamers? Why do we think that being so blessed, gives us an authority or insight above that of another? Do we not seek Jehovah through the agony of our hearts? Appreciation? Thankfulness?. We do not boast about it, but keep His blessing in our hearts and share the joy modestly - perhaps for the very reason that boasting about such things invites ridicule. The word has always been served through discussion as equals searching for the same understanding. Some are appointed as teachers. For them, they need our support because the responsibility, though joyful, bears with it trials in faith. For the rest of us, we sit at the low table and wait to be invited to greater things.

In truth, if you think that one cannot communicate colour values with a colourblind or blind person, it is unwise to show your ignorance as an example of faith In dreams - is it not? Likewise with dreams. It is unwise to interpret them when we have no authority to do so. If you wish to reply in braille, sign language, or touch, texture or sensory means, feel free.
Had the privilege of introducing music to a profoundly deaf witness from birth B: Took car speakers apart put one to each ear and he got the riddim widdim..chortle!
 
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