Is the GB endorsing the vaccine a sin against God's Spirit?

Nomex

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It dawned on me a couple days ago, the GB and WT and the entire brotherhood is convinced Covid is not only a pandemic, but part of the "sign of the times" that mark Jesus presence and the coming end of this system of things. "Covid" is bible prophecy, and I would not disagree, maybe just on the details.

But let's stick with the WT narrative. Some of this narrative I 100% agree with, some of it not so much, I'll leave it up to your discernment which part you think I am not buying. The narrative is, "Covid is a world wide pandemic, ten's of thousands of brothers and sisters have died because of it, not to mention millions of worldly people." This is the part they claim is bible prophecy, "we can see all the bible prophecies being fulfilled" is the claim by your typical PIMI JW!

OK, so clearly I believe the bible, I believe Satan really is the "god of this world" but one of the things WT taught me that 100% agree with, is the only hope for mankind is God's Kingdom. I believe Rev 21:4, "and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

And what about why God has permitted wickedness? What does the "What does the Bible Really Teach" book say? It uses the illustration, about a student telling the teacher he knows how to do something better? What does the teacher do? "He says go ahead show us how it's done." And while the student is failing miserably, does the teacher stop him and say, "here let me help you, prove me wrong"? NO! He does not!

Vaccines are for a fact part of Satan's system, part of his solution for ruler-ship without God to solve the problem of an immune system that does not work the way the Creator intended it to work.

So endorsing a Satanic solution to a problem created by Satan, to combat a "sign" that Satan's system is failing, is clearly nothing more than blasphemy! "Keep you in the land of the living?" The reason Jesus performed the signs of the resurrection, was the ultimate display of the out working of God's Holy spirit to demonstrate even death had no authority over Jesus. That was the ultimate fulfillment of "keeping you in the land of the living", not a vaccine.

To put this all another way, if the pandemic is a "sign of the end" which is synonymous with the "sign of Satan's failure", I mean that's the whole point, why would Jehovah, Jehovah's Holy Spirit, and Jesus have anything to do with something that would remedy the problems caused by Satan. And what's more, why would they be involved with something far inferior? I'm going to write that again!!!! Why would they be involved with something far inferior?

If you get a vaccine you're still gonna die...eventually. "But even after Jesus resurrected people they still died later." Yeah, except he actually raised people from the dead!!!!!!!

Not the same thing AT ALL!

Now let me get to the point in the title of this thread.

I remember as a kid I never had a good explanation of what "sinning against God's Holy spirit" meant. But there was an ah ha moment. I realized anyone who actively supported Satan's rebellion by aligning themselves with Satan, advancing his agenda, or enforcing his methods to circumvent Jehovah's Kingdom, if you do any of those things, there's a very good chance you sinned against God's Holy spirit, which is to try to prevent the outworking of the fulfillment of God's will!

A vaccine produced and provided by Satan's minions, "that keeps you in the land of the living" outside of God's will, his Kingdom where no vaccine will be needed, is a clear indication to me...this is an attempt to say, "Satan's system is there to help, just read Roman's 13, and vaccines were provided by Jehovah!"

Anything that minimizes what Satan has done to mankind and God's creation, to me, means...the worst. It means no forgiveness. "Oh just take this vaccine, it will keep you in the land of the living, after all the most important thing to Jehovah, is the WT publishing house." Yet God allowed his only begotten son to die on a stake?

I think the GB by endorsing the vaccine sinned against God's Holy Spirit, because a vaccine goes against the need for God, who made us perfect, with no need for a vaccine.

They did this by not actually making it a personal choice! "Land of the living", God wouldn't allow us to take a harmful vaccine...


CLOWNS!!!!!
 
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SeaGull

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It dawned on me a couple days ago, the GB and WT and the entire brotherhood is convinced Covid is not only a pandemic, but part of the "sign of the times" that mark Jesus presence and the coming end of this system of things. "Covid" is bible prophecy, and I would not disagree, maybe just on the details.



But let's stick with the WT narrative. Some of this narrative I 100% agree with, some of it not so much, I'll leave it up to your discernment which part you think I am not buying. The narrative is, "Covid is a world wide pandemic, ten's of thousands of brothers and sisters have died because of it, not to mention millions of worldly people." This is the part they claim is bible prophecy, "we can see all the bible prophecies being fulfilled" is the claim by your typical PIMI JW!



OK, so clearly I believe the bible, I believe Satan really is the "god of this world" but one of the things WT taught me that 100% agree with, is the only hope for mankind is God's Kingdom. I believe Rev 21:4, "and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”



And what about why God has permitted wickedness? What does the "What does the Bible Really Teach" book say? It uses the illustration, about a student telling the teacher he knows how to do something better? What does the teacher do? "He says go ahead show us how it's done." And while the student is failing miserably, does the teacher stop him and say, "here let me help you, prove me wrong"? NO! He does not!



Vaccines are for a fact part of Satan's system, part of his solution for ruler-ship without God to solve the problem of an immune system that does not work the way the Creator intended it to work.



So endorsing a Satanic solution to a problem created by Satan, to combat a "sign" that Satan's system is failing, is clearly nothing more than blasphemy! "Keep you in the land of the living?" The reason Jesus performed the signs of the resurrection, was the ultimate display of the out working of God's Holy spirit to demonstrate even death had no authority over Jesus. That was the ultimate fulfillment of "keeping you in the land of the living", not a vaccine.



To put this all another way, if the pandemic is a "sign of the end" which is synonymous with the "sign of Satan's failure", I mean that's the whole point, why would Jehovah, Jehovah's Holy Spirit, and Jesus have anything to do with something that would remedy the problems caused by Satan. And what's more, why would they be involved with something far inferior? I'm going to write that again!!!! Why would they be involved with something far inferior?



If you get a vaccine you're still gonna die...eventually. "But even after Jesus resurrected people they still died later." Yeah, except he actually raised people from the dead!!!!!!!



Not the same thing AT ALL!



Now let me get to the point in the title of this thread.



I remember as a kid I never had a good explanation of what "sinning against God's Holy spirit" meant. But there was an ah ha moment. I realized anyone who actively supported Satan's rebellion by aligning themselves with Satan, advancing his agenda, or enforcing his methods to circumvent Jehovah's Kingdom, if you do any of those things, there's a very good chance you sinned against God's Holy spirit, which is to try to prevent the outworking of the fulfillment of God's will!



A vaccine produced and provided by Satan's minions, "that keeps you in the land of the living" outside of God's will, his Kingdom where no vaccine will be needed, is a clear indication to me...this is an attempt to say, "Satan's system is there to help, just read Roman's 13, and vaccines were provided by Jehovah!"



Anything that minimizes what Satan has done to mankind and God's creation, to me, means...the worst. It means no forgiveness. "Oh just take this vaccine, it will keep you in the land of the living, after all the most important thing to Jehovah, is the WT publishing house." Yet God allowed his only begotten son to die on a stake?



I think the GB by endorsing the vaccine sinned against God's Holy Spirit, because a vaccine goes against the need for God, who made us perfect, with no need for a vaccine.



They did this by not actually making it a personal choice! "Land of the living", God wouldn't allow us to take a harmful vaccine...





CLOWNS!!!

Yes, they chose the solution offered by those who actually conspire directly against God's kingdom. And then tried to coerce everyone of Jehovah's people to do the same.

"Certainly if after escaping from the defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and are overcome, their final state has become worse for them than the first. 21 It would have been better for them not to have accurately known the path of righteousness than after knowing it to turn away from the holy commandment they had received. 22 What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog has returned to its own vomit, and the sow that was bathed to rolling in the mire.” (2 Peter 2:20-22)
 
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Soul Sage

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Jehovah has punished some of his anointed before and he'll do it again during the appropriate time. As time goes on. And they can't say they didn't force the vaccine when it was a requirement to be a volunteer on bethel property or to help with construction. I know it was an requirement to get vaccinated just to volunteer for security. I would of done it otherwise.
 

Ireneo

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I think it is a sin against the holy spirit depending on the degree of understanding they have of what they do
Perhaps some of them have already committed that sin
But in the case of the majority it is clear idolatry
When the Jews created the calf they said it was for Jehovah and he killed them anyway
Today I was listening to Deuteronomy
Moses clearly said that one should not be seduced by the stars in the sky and bow down to them
What do the stars represent?
It's not just gas clouds, it's people in positions of prominence.
All the brothers are being induced to idolatry no matter how much they say that what they do is for the Lord
Modifying the DNA of the body that Jehovah gave us is a clear rejection of the creator
It is true that many have done it without knowing or because they are deceived
But that does not mean that they have been induced to idolatry
From the sin against the spirit one cannot repent
I don't think that's the case with most siblings.
I think that many will realize and correct their vision of the matter
However, with respect to GB, I think that what he has done has crossed the line.
"not many should become teachers because they will receive more severe judgment"
"He who does not understand and teach humanity will receive many blows"
Throughout the Bible their actions are condemned and today it is clear that they are false prophets in sheep's clothing
I hope I'm wrong but I think they won't change anymore
 

kirmmy

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I think it is a sin against the holy spirit depending on the degree of understanding they have of what they do
Perhaps some of them have already committed that sin
No doubt Ireneo. Although we can't judge the Bible clearly speaks of a man of lawlessness rising from the org.

2 Thessalonians 2:1–12​

As RK once mentioned; They have accepted the morsel and been dismissed. Some of the GB are going to...or have turned and eternal destruction awaits them. Some will repent and accept correction from Jehovah...I hope. Same for the Elders and all of us, really.
 

A B

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I'm not saying this to defend the vaccine and its VERY ODD that they say they are not infallible, but Jehovah wouldn't let them make a mistake on this particular topic (?!?!?!?), ....

but,.....

your argument could be applied to other things to, like handwashing and soap (which they promoted).

Just saying.
 

SusanB

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One of the most appalling parts of the updates, in my opinion, was when Splane said instead of asking what the brothers know about the vaccines, we should be asking what does Jehovah know as he looked skyward and pointed to the heavens. He was clearly intending to convey the message that their direction on getting vaccinated was inspired. Even though they didn’t say that word for word, it was the message they were conveying and many others heard it that way too. I think that is a huge problem to convey a message that you are being directed by God’s supernatural Holy Spirit when the reality is that the vaccines have caused death and disability. I don’t know how they will overcome that one.
 

A B

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People were repeating that 'what does Jehovah know' line in the service group the next day. I started to read two contrary articles about how Sweden handled Covid-19. I didn't have time to finish either of them and I need to go back and find them because the contrast might be educational for me. One was pro, the other not. I do remember the pro article making the point about looking at excess mortality and it sort of explained something I wondered about. I was very worried for Africa but it seemed like most countries never got a big outbreak and I was watching the Johns Hopkins site, The article used Congo as an example and said the average life expectancy was 53 so there were less 70 or 80 year-olds to die with it and mostly the under 50s survived it so there was very little "excess mortality". I do need to find those 2 articles again and read them back to back.
 

Sundial

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I'm not saying this to defend the vaccine and its VERY ODD that they say they are not infallible, but Jehovah wouldn't let them make a mistake on this particular topic (?!?!?!?), ....

but,.....

your argument could be applied to other things to, like handwashing and soap (which they promoted).

Just saying.
I'm not sure if I follow you, but I know in my case the scandals circulating around Bill Gates and his nefarious attemps at population control through vaccines (in the third world) were known years before this vx thing started. Don't forget many of us saw the alarming previews of what was planned as early as October 2019 when the WEF and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation agenda 201 was video taped for youtube.
Even as negative reports came in worldwide the GB chose to ignore their former stance on leaving health decisions in the hands of the individual. They publicly and in writing touted support for the agenda of the WHO by affirming the JW organization supports the vx thus closing the door for any religious exemption for the brothers. The insult was crowned when they insinuated and in some cases coerced compliance implying brothers who refused the vx were going against God himself if they questioned the wisdom of using an experimental and untested drug.
GB Backpeddling on this isn't due to remorse or misunderstanding. Pfizer cannot be sued but organizations that made it a condition of employment that resulted in injury can be. The sin lies in preferring to risk innocent lives for a deal with the devil-but then again they do have some experience in that arena it would seem.(CSA)
Mene MeneTekel Upharsin.
 
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Yupyup_yup

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I did not read all of the messages in this thread so I might be already stating something that has been said

In my opinion they absolutely did

With the inclinations that they presented through the governing body updates

They went out of their way to link Jehovah's Sovereignty, Salvation and Saving power to a imperfect product of man


They Artificially linked the successfulness of this vaccine to Jehovah Sovereignty

When this vaccine publicly is known as a complete and utter failure Jehovah's name will be attached to it by the one channel that claims to be his representatives who He trusts

It cannot be understated the amount of anger that this will invoke in people especially jws

And God as well


Yes by promoting a vaccine that alters the human genome and claiming that it is man salvation that Jehovah is using man's product to save his people during the time of the end is a fatal error


The consequences of this will be everlasting

And in something only God can fix

May He act for His Own Namesake!

In my mind this is the disgusting thing standing in a holy place

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No matter how the media down plays it no matter how the government's down play it or try to make suppress any negative news

Our God who is the revealer of secrets will make it known
 
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SusanB

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I did not read all of the messages in this thread so I might be already stating something that has been said

In my opinion they absolutely did

With the inclinations that they presented through the governing body updates

They went out of their way to link Jehovah's Sovereignty, Salvation and Saving power to a imperfect product of man


They Artificially linked the successfulness of this vaccine to Jehovah Sovereignty

When this vaccine publicly is known as a complete and utter failure Jehovah's name will be attached to it by the one channel that claims to be his representatives who He trusts

It cannot be understated the amount of anger that this will invoke in people especially jws

And God as well


Yes by promoting a vaccine that alters the human genome and claiming that it is man salvation that Jehovah is using man's product to save his people during the time of the end is a fatal error


The consequences of this will be everlasting

And in something only God can fix

May He act for His Own Namesake!

In my mind this is the disgusting thing standing in a holy place

---

No matter how the media down plays it no matter how the government's down play it or try to make suppress any negative news

Our God who is the revealer of secrets will make it known
And, I just heard in a video somewhere that the mRNA is not natural. It’s like GMO food. It is a synthetic, a Frankenstein type creation that is very different from human mRNa. The person in the video asked the question that if it changes your DNA, are you still a human. I am concerned by that.
 

SusanB

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They have so much blood, and pure death on their hands that "GET OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE" includes WT in my humble opinion. I'm personally horrified by it, and I'm really surprised at how many people aren't horrified by it. It was N. Korean death camp propaganda. It was a slow burn that led up to a GB member telling you if you want to "be in the land of the living" you'll do whatever they say is a healthy choice for your body. Ok I'm getting myself triggered. Lol. Great comment btw!👍🏼
Honestly, it makes sense to me that the Watchtower organizations and congregations have just been absorbed into Babylon in the same way that the 3rd century congregations became the Catholic church. Then when you realize that the friends are “enslaved” to the GB by mind control, doesn’t that make you think they are in mental bondage????!!!!!
 

Yupyup_yup

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The person in the video asked the question that if it changes your DNA, are you still a human. I am concerned by that.


Yeah I'm definitely concerned with that question as well

To the One that made us perfectly it would be one of the greatest insults ever

A colossal achievement of satan to tarnish the ones made in His image

That's why I view it as a colossal mistake

If it as any kind of negative effects on babies

Civilizations have collapsed for much much less
 

MuleJule

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"He says go ahead show us how it's done." And while the student is failing miserably, does the teacher stop him and say, "here let me help you, prove me wrong"? NO! He does not!
Nomex, what you're saying makes sense. Why would Jehovah step in to help out Satan's mess? That would defeat the purpose of the experiment. I get that.

But thinking about this also this raises another question for me... (and maybe my thinking is bonkers because of all the spiritual changes I've been undergoing this past year.)

I was meditating on "Satan's challenge" and I was thinking how Satan is no doubt highly intelligent, beyond our limited comprehension. If he really thought he could rule humans and the earth better than Jehovah, and he was given the opportunity and thousands of years to demonstrate that, why would he choose to create untold chaos, war, suffering and confusion?

Sure he's evil and selfish and people imitate their leader etc etc, but honestly, he COULD have been much more effective by teaching humans beneficial things, how to work together, build communities, heal, care for the land. He was there for creation of many things, he had intimate knowledge of how things work. He could have convinced many humans and angels that he had some really good ideas. Why would he choose to screw everything up into an irrepairable mess? I honestly want to know. What kind of game plan is that?
 

Medi-tator

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Nomex, what you're saying makes sense. Why would Jehovah step in to help out Satan's mess? That would defeat the purpose of the experiment. I get that.

But thinking about this also this raises another question for me... (and maybe my thinking is bonkers because of all the spiritual changes I've been undergoing this past year.)

I was meditating on "Satan's challenge" and I was thinking how Satan is no doubt highly intelligent, beyond our limited comprehension. If he really thought he could rule humans and the earth better than Jehovah, and he was given the opportunity and thousands of years to demonstrate that, why would he choose to create untold chaos, war, suffering and confusion?

Sure he's evil and selfish and people imitate their leader etc etc, but honestly, he COULD have been much more effective by teaching humans beneficial things, how to work together, build communities, heal, care for the land. He was there for creation of many things, he had intimate knowledge of how things work. He could have convinced many humans and angels that he had some really good ideas. Why would he choose to screw everything up into an irrepairable mess? I honestly want to know. What kind of game plan is that?
If Satan (resister) the Devil (slanderer) can "transform" himself into an angel of light, that would mean that his root character is strictly darkness. He gets off on and is effectively addicted to the shock and horror of terrible things. Playing nice for several thousand years just to try to influence these little carbon units running around on earth would have likely been very boring to him. Plus his ability to seduce other perfect angels to follow him would necessitate some fairly serious deviations from their normal existence. Chaos is cool, war is wonderful, suffering is supreme and confusion is killer. That is Satan the Devil, a very "diabolical" character LOL. Your question is smart and logically founded, and Satan may be smart but not THAT smart. 🤣 Donald Trump used to say on The Apprentice about some boneheaded thing one of his guests would do, "not so smart!" Where it comes to Satan, I agree with Trump.
 
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