Our first time speaking out and experience!

Welcome!! So many of us have the same exact point of waking up to the Org... My story is just like yours... However... I have not been able to fully explain to my wife exactly how I feel and my thoughts... My wife has high Anxiety as it is... She's dealing with emotional family trauma... her own Sexual abuse trauma...younger kids... moving...The stresses of Life... I really don't want to add to her plate of things to deal with...but I'm also finding it more and more difficult to ..."promote the Org"...speak or mention anything positive about the GB, encourage my kids to "reach out", Study the WT...Etc...

I've been baptized for 30 years myself and am currently a MS... My wife can read me like a book though...she has to be aware i'm not as enthusiastic about the Org... so I'm about at the point I have to talk to her about everything that's wrong with the Org...I've just been waiting til more came out negative about the vaccines (mainstream) ...Til the works in the Earth were "exposed more" ... I've been moving very slowly ...and not rushing to any decisions... and trying to make sure I'm on Jehovah's side and that Christ is my King and who I follow... I can get out of the boat and follow Jesus... Just not sure my wife is ready yet...I have to continue to pray for direction..
Glad to have you here!!
Una saludo fuerte para los dos!! Me siento más identificada con tu esposa, dale un gran abrazo de mi parte!! Gracias a Jehová el trauma se hace más ligero, El nos da el aliento extra tantas veces, pero el precio de sacar a la luz los rasgos mas oscuros de la WT es alto. Te lo hacen pagar caro, de una forma o de otra. El modus operanding es similar al de las vacunas, solo que en el caso del abuso es, o callas o te callamos y luego llega el ostracismo. Lo bueno de todo esto es que les queda poco para aprovecharse de la falta de luz, en las sombras que se mueven. Que destello cegador cuando venga el amo del festín!! Adelante!
 
If I could make a suggestion when the time comes when you feel it’s the time to tell your wife. I would start the conversation out with something like this…There is nothing in this world that will break my faith and my love for Jehovah and his son in fact my faith has only became stronger etc …. By reassuring her and of your faith before you shake her world you will put her at ease from the beginning… just a suggestion
Absolutely!!! Thank you... Was hoping for some suggestions... Especially from a female point of view... This is a place I never thought I would be and both of us are born in and raised "In the Truth" ... And i know how hard it is too "wake up"... So, i know I have to approach it cautiously and lovingly. Thank you
 
Te lo hacen pagar caro, de una forma o de otra.
The price is high... They do make you give up everything and everyone you know and love... But definitely can't help but think of Matthew 10:37-39
"Whoever has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and whoever has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me. 38 And whoever does not accept his torture stake and follow after me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds his soul will lose it, and whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it."

Thats really the biggest reason they've held onto the shunning and disfellowshipping policy for so long... as a control tactic...
 
where they very somberly reported the death #s and how many were/were not vaccinated.
The only numbers they had any access to was any information they coerced out of the R&F about the vaccination status, and since the PCR test cannot be used as a diagnostic, all those numbers started out as a lie to begin with...this is why they started saying, "even the Flu numbers have gone down"...and attributed it too the masks...which is why I started saying the mask protects you from everything, the Flu, the common cold, gun shot wounds, but the one thing it couldn't do, was stop the spread of Covid..the fact that anyone bought this patently obvious lie, really demonstrated how easy it really is to deceive people.

as they said they were collected by brothers so they felt there was integrity in those statistics.
The thing is this was an out and out lie. And an intentional one. The brothers had NO WAY to collect any data, because every bit of that data was collected by the governments . All the brothers did, was add the stuff up. They had ZERO data themselves. They don't have doctors in hospitals collecting data and sending it to WT. They don't have a government liaison, collecting data and sending it to WT, the only thing they had is what everyone else had, and that was what the governments were telling people. Claiming we could trust the "data collected by our brothers" was as I said an intentional lie, and a lie they knew most people wouldn't catch them on.

It was exactly the same as them continuing to claim they had guidance from Jehovah about how to handle Covid. And like I keep saying, their response was identical to the world's response, so who was guiding the government officials? Was the world following the lead of WT or was it the other way around because it CANNOT BE BOTH!!!! Not too mention they prove that was not the case other wise they wouldn't have needed to use Romans 13 to justify that they were telling everyone the EXACT SAME THING as the world's governments. In fact it's just another sin against God's Holy Spirit, by giving credit to Jehovah for something Satan had done!
 
Welcome!! So many of us have the same exact point of waking up to the Org... My story is just like yours... However... I have not been able to fully explain to my wife exactly how I feel and my thoughts... My wife has high Anxiety as it is... She's dealing with emotional family trauma... her own Sexual abuse trauma...younger kids... moving...The stresses of Life... I really don't want to add to her plate of things to deal with...but I'm also finding it more and more difficult to ..."promote the Org"...speak or mention anything positive about the GB, encourage my kids to "reach out", Study the WT...Etc...

I've been baptized for 30 years myself and am currently a MS... My wife can read me like a book though...she has to be aware i'm not as enthusiastic about the Org... so I'm about at the point I have to talk to her about everything that's wrong with the Org...I've just been waiting til more came out negative about the vaccines (mainstream) ...Til the works in the Earth were "exposed more" ... I've been moving very slowly ...and not rushing to any decisions... and trying to make sure I'm on Jehovah's side and that Christ is my King and who I follow... I can get out of the boat and follow Jesus... Just not sure my wife is ready yet...I have to continue to pray for direction..
Glad to have you here!!
Our hearts are aching for you! It has been hard enough for us as a couple and this despite the fact we have been on the same page for most of our waking up process. We can't imagine how hard and lonely you must feel going through this on your own. Also, we do not have children so that even carries more weight to your decision and is another critical factor to take into consideration. Jehovah and our King Jesus will continue to help you as they have helped ourselves and many others who put their trust in them. Both of us have been in tears at times praying and felt we were about to have a nervous breakdown! It has been extremely painful.

Also both our parents have extreme anxiety and are elderly so we understand how delicate the matter is in presenting information to family. We are always cautious when asking what they may think about certain things and never force or push the issue. Despite the anxiety, one of our parents is actually seeing cracks and is very slowly becoming pimq. Thanks to the vaxx issue.

The brothers will want to meet with you if you step aside. Though, the stress you are under and making your family your top priority could be a first step if you need a legit reason to satisfy them (not that you owe them an explanation as everyone seems to forget this is all VOLUNTARY). Also mentioning to them that you have prayed about the matter and feel this is where God's spirit is directing you (which was absolutely true in our case). Also, your wife has her own experience with CSA and as a mom no doubt wants to protect her children. Do you know anyone in PA that is an elder or have a current mainstream article that you can show her with what's going on there regarding CSA? This would need to be done discreetly and cautiously of course as it is a sensitive subject.

These are just thoughts and ideas, but again we want to stress that we never want to destroy someone's precious faith and if someone's not ready to see or hear the truth, even when presented with facts, they sometimes still cannot see it - (As was evidenced with the Vaxx). You can actually inadvertently push people away or cause them to become defensive if you come on too strong as we have experienced with our own family regarding the truths about the Vaxx. It's hard to get to the point where one can separate the WT/GB/Organization from Jehovah as it is constantly being presented as a package deal.

Show her LOVE, HUGS and that you are not going anywhere! Like Melinda said assure her you have not lost faith in Jehovah and Jesus, but feel closer than ever to them! Only you will know the right time and right way to reach her.

We can only go by our experience and do not want to be the cause of any further stress. Just see if anything can apply in your situation.

We both feared the other could lose faith in Jehovah but had to constantly reassure one another we loved Jehovah and by studying the bible and praying it demonstrates that.

We know this is sensitive and hope we have not overstepped in any way! We are not professionals in dealing in trauma, but have been through it. We are sending you love and prayers!
 
His GB update #7 in 2021 comparing Naaman's leprosy "cure" in the Jordan to the Vaxx as if from God was the one that helped us see the blasphemous direction being given. BTW he is not a fan of football at ALL, so maybe he had something to do with all of the carts at superbowl? Just sayin'
And having only met him once at the hall where he gave a talk, he was less than personable.
That was the update that did it for us too.
 
Una saludo fuerte para los dos!! Me siento más identificada con tu esposa, dale un gran abrazo de mi parte!! Gracias a Jehová el trauma se hace más ligero, El nos da el aliento extra tantas veces, pero el precio de sacar a la luz los rasgos mas oscuros de la WT es alto. Te lo hacen pagar caro, de una forma o de otra. El modus operanding es similar al de las vacunas, solo que en el caso del abuso es, o callas o te callamos y luego llega el ostracismo. Lo bueno de todo esto es que les queda poco para aprovecharse de la falta de luz, en las sombras que se mueven. Que destello cegador cuando venga el amo del festín!! Adelante!
Translation: A strong greeting for both of you!! I feel more identified with your wife, give her a big hug from me!! Thanks to Jehovah the trauma becomes lighter, He gives us the extra breath so many times, but the price of bringing to light the darkest features of the WT is high. They make you pay dearly, one way or another. The modus operanding is similar to that of vaccines, only that in the case of abuse it is, either you shut up or we shut up and then the ostracism comes. The good thing about all this is that they have little left to take advantage of the lack of light, in the shadows that move. What a blinding flash when the master of the feast comes!! Go ahead!
 
Our hearts are aching for you! It has been hard enough for us as a couple and this despite the fact we have been on the same page for most of our waking up process. We can't imagine how hard and lonely you must feel going through this on your own. Also, we do not have children so that even carries more weight to your decision and is another critical factor to take into consideration. Jehovah and our King Jesus will continue to help you as they have helped ourselves and many others who put their trust in them. Both of us have been in tears at times praying and felt we were about to have a nervous breakdown! It has been extremely painful.

Also both our parents have extreme anxiety and are elderly so we understand how delicate the matter is in presenting information to family. We are always cautious when asking what they may think about certain things and never force or push the issue. Despite the anxiety, one of our parents is actually seeing cracks and is very slowly becoming pimq. Thanks to the vaxx issue.

The brothers will want to meet with you if you step aside. Though, the stress you are under and making your family your top priority could be a first step if you need a legit reason to satisfy them (not that you owe them an explanation as everyone seems to forget this is all VOLUNTARY). Also mentioning to them that you have prayed about the matter and feel this is where God's spirit is directing you (which was absolutely true in our case). Also, your wife has her own experience with CSA and as a mom no doubt wants to protect her children. Do you know anyone in PA that is an elder or have a current mainstream article that you can show her with what's going on there regarding CSA? This would need to be done discreetly and cautiously of course as it is a sensitive subject.

These are just thoughts and ideas, but again we want to stress that we never want to destroy someone's precious faith and if someone's not ready to see or hear the truth, even when presented with facts, they sometimes still cannot see it - (As was evidenced with the Vaxx). You can actually inadvertently push people away or cause them to become defensive if you come on too strong as we have experienced with our own family regarding the truths about the Vaxx. It's hard to get to the point where one can separate the WT/GB/Organization from Jehovah as it is constantly being presented as a package deal.

Show her LOVE, HUGS and that you are not going anywhere! Like Melinda said assure her you have not lost faith in Jehovah and Jesus, but feel closer than ever to them! Only you will know the right time and right way to reach her.

We can only go by our experience and do not want to be the cause of any further stress. Just see if anything can apply in your situation.

We both feared the other could lose faith in Jehovah but had to constantly reassure one another we loved Jehovah and by studying the bible and praying it demonstrates that.

We know this is sensitive and hope we have not overstepped in any way! We are not professionals in dealing in trauma, but have been through it. We are sending you love and prayers!
Some really excellent thoughts My Brother.... Really a lot of excellent points!
It has been extremely difficult... Definitely had some dark moments and feeling almost lost ....But what I fear most is the Fear of displeasing God by not doing "the right thing" and following men and not "Our Lord and King and Jehovah God"... Thats what really bothers me the most... Based on what i know and have learned...Am i moving quick enough with "drawing my line in the sand....and showing God whose side I'm on and who I follow...

It's also been a challenge with what I should do with my kids... It's difficult enough as it is for them having friends and the Halls are the only place i know where I can at least put them in a foundation of Learning about God and loving him... But I also don't want them to learn to follow and trust men.. and be taught Lies and being deceived ...and the message of following them (GB) no matter what is just getting stronger and stronger.

I also got nowhere trying to tell my family and close friends about the Dangers of the Vaccines...As they quickly turned it into "if you're against the Vaccines your against The GB and Jehovah" virtually causing me to go silent on the matter...at least with the Brothers and Sisters. It really is a "package deal" as you said... If you say anything bad about the Org...they've made it so that your saying something bad about Jehovah...

As regards to the CSA... At least from my perspective ...it was handled I believe in the right way... The elders had her family report the crime...He was arrested and served many years in Prison. The cracks my wife has seen though...was how many of the friends never really believed what happened ...(he was a pioneer). They kind of took his side early on... These accounts of CSA can easily be attributed to individuals..."bad apples" and they can be anywhere ...I can accept that ...but what can't be ...Is Why does the Org cover it up and how much money have they paid out defending and paying hush hush money? How can appointed men (by God) according to the GB commit these crimes and not report these crimes? How widespread is this problem? How much money has been paid out? So many more questions ... But what Does Jehovah and Jesus think about the "faithful slave' and how its handled these cases...


You have not overstepped in any way ... I'm putting it out there for recommendations and help and appreciate any ideas and thoughts ... and at the end of the day its probably is as simple as "praying to God for help" and "putting my faith in him that he will set matters straight" ...But its nice to have a group to express your open and honest feeling with....without the fear of harsh judgement and shunning as a repercussion.
 
Oh my goodness I think Nomex and I should team up and just burn 🔥 WT to the ground and be done with it already!

His GB update #7 in 2021 comparing Naaman's leprosy "cure" in the Jordan to the Vaxx as if from God was the one that helped us see the blasphemous direction being given. BTW he is not a fan of football at ALL, so maybe he had something to do with all of the carts at superbowl? Just sayin'
And having only met him once at the hall where he gave a talk, he was less than personable.
Deborah Hines said in her interview that he was very arrogant when he came over to her house before he was appointed as a GB. That was in her six screens interview with Barbara Anderson. That statement stuck with me. I've read that David Splane is also pretty high-minded as well.
 
The only numbers they had any access to was any information they coerced out of the R&F about the vaccination status, and since the PCR test cannot be used as a diagnostic, all those numbers started out as a lie to begin with...this is why they started saying, "even the Flu numbers have gone down"...and attributed it too the masks...which is why I started saying the mask protects you from everything, the Flu, the common cold, gun shot wounds, but the one thing it couldn't do, was stop the spread of Covid..the fact that anyone bought this patently obvious lie, really demonstrated how easy it really is to deceive people.


The thing is this was an out and out lie. And an intentional one. The brothers had NO WAY to collect any data, because every bit of that data was collected by the governments . All the brothers did, was add the stuff up. They had ZERO data themselves. They don't have doctors in hospitals collecting data and sending it to WT. They don't have a government liaison, collecting data and sending it to WT, the only thing they had is what everyone else had, and that was what the governments were telling people. Claiming we could trust the "data collected by our brothers" was as I said an intentional lie, and a lie they knew most people wouldn't catch them on.

It was exactly the same as them continuing to claim they had guidance from Jehovah about how to handle Covid. And like I keep saying, their response was identical to the world's response, so who was guiding the government officials? Was the world following the lead of WT or was it the other way around because it CANNOT BE BOTH!!!! Not too mention they prove that was not the case other wise they wouldn't have needed to use Romans 13 to justify that they were telling everyone the EXACT SAME THING as the world's governments. In fact it's just another sin against God's Holy Spirit, by giving credit to Jehovah for something Satan had done!
I understand what you are saying Nomex but about my comment about the segment in the update about which way the #s were going, the COs were reporting upward the people who died and their vaccination status....that is how they were inferring that it was the right course of action. You can say all you want about PCR tests etc, I get it, but they were getting two datasets from the COs, did the person die, were they vaccinated, that was the source of those statistics.

I had a few doctors and nurses that I knew say towards the end of 2021 that the only people they saw dying of covid, with covid (pick whatever term you want) were the unvaccinated. It is not scientific, it is anecdotal but it can reach a level that it can be convincing. All the issues of risk/benefit and alternate treatments aside, I think the GB saw a shift in that the only people they heard were dying were the unvaccinated and that pushed them out on the limb past their previous 'personal decision' viewpoint. I agree with you bringing Jehovah into it put it on par with the rest of the world, but I think they started out thinking they were doing the right thing. (and I was only trying to comment on the issue Barnaby raised)
 
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@A B I don't have any real issues with your point of view, it's exactly how I felt about a lot of things in the Org, until the Covid thing, and now as I look backwards, I see things with a much different lens. I think you can say I am a lot more cynical now, and you are a lot more positive. Positive is always the better way to look at things, until it isn't, and that is the real trick, knowing when things have gone too far and the negative out weighs the positive. And when it "goes too far" is going to be different for every person.

So I respect the people who can still see that glimmer as it were...I do not and now I am retro actively, assigning cause to things that have happened in the paste, and with this new understanding, those things make a whole lot more sense.
 
@A B I don't have any real issues with your point of view, it's exactly how I felt about a lot of things in the Org, until the Covid thing, and now as I look backwards, I see things with a much different lens. I think you can say I am a lot more cynical now, and you are a lot more positive. Positive is always the better way to look at things, until it isn't, and that is the real trick, knowing when things have gone too far and the negative out weighs the positive. And when it "goes too far" is going to be different for every person.

So I respect the people who can still see that glimmer as it were...I do not and now I am retro actively, assigning cause to things that have happened in the paste, and with this new understanding, those things make a whole lot more sense.
I understand.
 
That slimy lizard 🦎 makes my skin crawl! They can never walk back what he did!
Talking of the slimy lizard, one of the teachings that put me on the PIMO path was the overlapping generation "exsplaneation"
However, recently I don't see much reference to this. If you search for it on the WT library the last reference I can find is in 2014
Watchtower 1/15 p. 27 “Let Your Kingdom Come”—But When?
Maybe I've missed any later references but if that is the case are they maybe reconsidering the teaching?
It wouldn't surprise me if they came up with an even more convoluted teaching going by the current run of form. ( Beards etc)
 
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The only numbers they had any access to was any information they coerced out of the R&F about the vaccination status, and since the PCR test cannot be used as a diagnostic, all those numbers started out as a lie to begin with...this is why they started saying, "even the Flu numbers have gone down"...and attributed it too the masks...which is why I started saying the mask protects you from everything, the Flu, the common cold, gun shot wounds, but the one thing it couldn't do, was stop the spread of Covid..the fact that anyone bought this patently obvious lie, really demonstrated how easy it really is to deceive people.


The thing is this was an out and out lie. And an intentional one. The brothers had NO WAY to collect any data, because every bit of that data was collected by the governments . All the brothers did, was add the stuff up. They had ZERO data themselves. They don't have doctors in hospitals collecting data and sending it to WT. They don't have a government liaison, collecting data and sending it to WT, the only thing they had is what everyone else had, and that was what the governments were telling people. Claiming we could trust the "data collected by our brothers" was as I said an intentional lie, and a lie they knew most people wouldn't catch them on.

It was exactly the same as them continuing to claim they had guidance from Jehovah about how to handle Covid. And like I keep saying, their response was identical to the world's response, so who was guiding the government officials? Was the world following the lead of WT or was it the other way around because it CANNOT BE BOTH!!!! Not too mention they prove that was not the case other wise they wouldn't have needed to use Romans 13 to justify that they were telling everyone the EXACT SAME THING as the world's governments. In fact it's just another sin against God's Holy Spirit, by giving credit to Jehovah for something Satan had done!
Couldn't have put it better myself!
 
Oh it goes beyond that! The GB had the audacity to publish WT study articles praising themselves and their god given insight! Can you imagine sitting in the KH with the poison jab coursing through your body and having to regurgitate praise for the very men that pressured you to poison yourself?! I’ve never wanted hell 🔥 to be real until these last few years!
You took the words right out of my mouth ! AMEN !!!!
 
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