Strange, illogical and impractical, the “New Doctrine”

Driven said:
add something thoughtful that may help new ones or lurkers.
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My thought is the GB are doing a really great job waking the brothers up on their own. If the latest round of GB updates hasn't at least given the brothers some reason to question this illogical "advice", then it's going to take the collapse of the WT to wake them from their slumber. I don't think we need to be overly concerned with the waking up process as when the evil and faithful slaves are identified at the masters return, Jesus and the angels will separate the sheep from the goats, this work is a divine task and no sheep will be lost.
 
Jordan Seager said:
This is something that really grinds my gears. There's 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12. Who do we listen to? Man or The Bible? If the GB gets up suddenly and start throwing crazy demands about, it is clearly not from God.
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And now you've gotten a taste of what the Bible Students were going through in 1917/1918 when the Judge took over and usurped the authority of the Board of Director to elevate himself and demand complete obedience.

Fortunately the Bible Students were independent congregations, so they could easily abandon the Society, since it was no longer publishing Truth. However there were those who readily gave up their Christian freedom and bowed the knew to the Judge and gave him and the future leadership complete control.

Never again!

RR
 
a watcher said:
The more bizarre the GB behaves, the more JWs will 'wake up'.
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i hope you are correct but i suspect few may start to question the instruction, because its a big shift in thinking required for a JW to question what the GB say and an even bigger one to reject it.
at least that is my experience of trying to reason with Jws about such teachings as the invisible presence. i feel the vibs of goat alert coming from them.
however i am not a JW never have been, i will not go into why, apart from to say the generation teaching change in the 90s for me was a red flag, but if a trusted JW friend were to approach them it may have a positive effect but its gonna be difficult.
i just wonder how bizarre the GB are going to behave. could it be that they are possibly preparing the flock mentaly for a climb down on 1914?
to date they have adopted NEW LIGHT tactics with many previous teachings but the invisible presence will take some readjusting under new light
it will be interesting.
 
I also believe that there is a new doctrine
With regard to vaccines and medical treatments, we have been neutral for decades
That is based on the bible and it is correct
The vaccine promotion stance goes against this
The GB to change a doctrine must base it with the bible
I do not disagree that if something is better understood, it should be changed.
But the change must be based on the bible
The GB can't tell
"We are going to change this doctrine and the change is based on the bible but….we cannot show you the verses…you must trust"
If they change the doctrine of the neutrality of medical treatments, they are biblically obligated to substantiate it biblically.
Since they can't do it they invented the nonsense that we have to close our eyes and have faith
The Berean Christians were commended for corroborating with scripture
Wanting to check what they teach is not distrust and stubbornness, it is rather spiritual nobility
It is true that sometimes we are not given all the details of some decisions and we trust
BUT THAT NEVER APPLIES WITH DOCTRINE CHANGES
They are bound by scripture to explain the biblical texts and reasoning that lead to it.
 
BillyRay said:
Paragraph 11 in todays Watchtower study:

What else can help you to endure trials? As Anel pointed out, obedience. Learn to trust those whom Jehovah and Jesus trust. At times, those appointed to take the lead may give direction that does not make sense to us. However, Jehovah blesses obedience. We know from his Word and from the experiences of faithful servants that obedience saves lives. (Ex. 14:1-4; 2 Chron. 20:17) Meditate on such examples. Doing so will strengthen your resolve to cooperate with organizational arrangements now and in the future. (Heb. 13:17) You will thus have no reason to fear the greater storm that is soon to come.—Prov. 3:25.

We did not have one fawning comment from the congregation about the GB or F&DS.
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Billy Ray I love the sound of your congregation. We had a very different frightening reaction here.
 
surfergirl said:
("Do not put your trust in princes nor in the son of man, who cannot bring salvation." - Psalm146:3). - Thank you, Dorothea - ;) This is one of our encouraging slogans that the true and LOYAL servants of Jehovah must live by!
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(Jeremiah 9:4) “Everyone, be on guard against your neighbour, and do not trust even your brother. For every brother is a betrayer, and every neighbour is a slanderer.

(Micah 7:5) Do not put faith in your companion or trust a close friend. Guard what you say to the one who lies in your embrace.

(Matthew 24:48-51) “If ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ and he starts to beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards,  the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know,  and he will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his place with the hypocrites. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.

So if the GB are saying that they could never become the evil slave they are disagreeing with the scriptures?

Perhaps this is appropriate? (Proverbs 16:18) Pride is before a crash, and a haughty spirit before stumbling.
 
Driven said:
Good find. And yet the scriptures caution us to test or verify against the scriptures. I wonder how long they’ve been plotting.
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When I first started studying in the 90's, a sister said to me that we just do whatever the GB tells us. She said that even if they gave us a really bizarre command like "stop washing your hair" she would be fed up but still obey them. ...... I think this has been there all the time but more subtle than it is now. I think they are gearing up for something scary.
 
PJ54 said:
It's like the people are being groomed into doing something that would put them in grave danger.
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Either that or an assurance of absolute compliance under Caesar's law in disguise. The exact words and spirit of the demand for compliance regarding the vax are identical in substance and intention to the current political administration of this country. That alone should cause people alarm in light of recent medical findings.
 
Petal said:
Billy Ray I love the sound of your congregation. We had a very different frightening reaction here.
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I have no idea why we might be different. Maybe we aren’t. As I’ve said previously, we have the CO visit in a couple weeks. We’ll see if the tenor of things change after his visit.
 
Petal said:
When I first started studying in the 90's, a sister said to me that we just do whatever the GB tells us. She said that even if they gave us a really bizarre command like "stop washing your hair" she would be fed up but still obey them. ...... I think this has been there all the time but more subtle than it is now. I think they are gearing up for something scary.
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I guess I just mentally didn’t take it in. There were times when I heard things that perhaps puzzled me but I often just thought, well we will see if its evident it has Jehovah’s backing at the time. I didn’t know if perhaps Jehovah would perform miracles and the prophecies do indicate that he will perform miracles. I just don’t recall that it went as far back as it did. Also, at that point, as far as I was aware, it seemed like they were very careful to stay in line with scriptures. And, I honestly did trust them until they didn’t follow the scriptures. I think that is one of the reasons this feels like such a betrayal. My first instinct was that I had been setup for this debacle.
 
JTK said:
i hope you are correct but i suspect few may start to question the instruction, because its a big shift in thinking required for a JW to question what the GB say and an even bigger one to reject it.
at least that is my experience of trying to reason with Jws about such teachings as the invisible presence. i feel the vibs of goat alert coming from them.
however i am not a JW never have been, i will not go into why, apart from to say the generation teaching change in the 90s for me was a red flag, but if a trusted JW friend were to approach them it may have a positive effect but its gonna be difficult.
i just wonder how bizarre the GB are going to behave. could it be that they are possibly preparing the flock mentaly for a climb down on 1914?
to date they have adopted NEW LIGHT tactics with many previous teachings but the invisible presence will take some readjusting under new light
it will be interesting.
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It’s interesting that you are not a JW and have never been. Where and how did you learn the bible?
 
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BillyRay said:
I have no idea why we might be different. Maybe we aren’t. As I’ve said previously, we have the CO visit in a couple weeks. We’ll see if the tenor of things change after his visit.
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Co visit coming up for me this week. Sunday's CO service talk is entitled, "Do You Really Trust the Faithful and Discreet Slave?" Really is Italicized... guess I "really" am just asking the same question as Jesus, "who really is the faithful and discreet slave?"
 
Petal said:
When I first started studying in the 90's, a sister said to me that we just do whatever the GB tells us. She said that even if they gave us a really bizarre command like "stop washing your hair" she would be fed up but still obey them. ......
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Funny, some years ago I asked a long time JW, "if one day you received the latest Watchtower and there was a study article supporting the Trinity doctrine what would you do?" He said "accept it. Apparently Jehovah was adjusting their thinking on the matter." I just shook my head. Some people will acept whatever the GB tells them without question.

RR
 
RR144 said:
Funny, some years ago I asked a long time JW, "if one day you received the latest Watchtower and there was a study article supporting the Trinity doctrine what would you do?" He said "accept it. Apparently Jehovah was adjusting their thinking on the matter." I just shook my head. Some people will acept whatever the GB tells them without question.

RR
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If that becomes the situation then the JW's will be part of Christendom. Particularly another denomination of Evangelical Protestantism. Christendom would have them come in with open arms.
 
RR144 said:
Funny, some years ago I asked a long time JW, "if one day you received the latest Watchtower and there was a study article supporting the Trinity doctrine what would you do?" He said "accept it. Apparently Jehovah was adjusting their thinking on the matter." I just shook my head. Some people will acept whatever the GB tells them without question.

RR
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i am not sure why anyone would be surpised by that answer.
when man puts himself in prime position as Gods channel of communication and convinces millions that he belongs there, indeed that he has actually already been appointed by Christ himself in 1918/19, then until that delusional spell is broken then anything is possible.
 
JTK said:
i am not sure why anyone would be surpised by that answer.
when man puts himself in prime position as Gods channel of communication and convinces millions that he belongs there, indeed that he has actually already been appointed by Christ himself in 1918/19, then until that delusional spell is broken then anything is possible.
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It's the ex cathedra stance so to speak.
 
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