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[The God Pill]

Finished book 3 of 10 of clementine recognitions there was an interesting claim in it that reconciled that 1. God dwells in innaproachable light 2. As Isaiah depicts even the Seraphs have to cover there faces when looking in his direction like humans staring at the sun 3. No man can see God's face and live 4. Jesus said the annointed would see God like the angels do. The claim the character of apostle Peter gave in the narrative is that the angels see Jehovah with their minds eye and the annointed will likewise be able to when they are in heaven.

 

[MickHewitt]

Finished book 3 of 10 of clementine recognitions there was an interesting claim in it that reconciled that 1. God dwells in innaproachable light 2. As Isaiah depicts even the Seraphs have to cover there faces when looking in his direction like humans staring at the sun 3. No man can see God's face and live 4. Jesus said the annointed would see God like the angels do. The claim the character of apostle Peter gave in the narrative is that the angels see Jehovah with their minds eye and the annointed will likewise be able to when they are in heaven.

Similar Refs to this in Rev4:8, as in Isa 6:2! The writings you are researching what date? Peter's travelling companion? Is Clementine a Pseudonym for a close aquaintance of Peter?

 

[The God Pill]

Similar Refs to this in Rev4:8, as in Isa 6:2! The writings you are researching what date? Peter's travelling companion? Is Clementine a Pseudonym for a close aquaintance of Peter?

Essentially clementine recognitions and homilies are two novels from the third or fourth century they vary about 20% but derrive from the same lost source texts. They are allegedly a series of ten letters Clement wrote to Jesus half brother James about his conversion by Peter and subsequent experiences as his traveling companion as the apostle preached, appointed brothers to positions in congregations and got into debates with Simon Magus. It appears that the churches received it in the fourth century from a sect of Jewish Christians that might not have been that fond of Paul. It's an interesting though long read. There are issues with it at times for example Peter argues in favor of the immortal soul doctrine a writer or editor could have been influenced in having that by the apocalypse of Peter a 2nd century forgery that was the origin of the hellfire doctrine. Possibly the og text drew from records kept by remnants from the Jerusalem congregation that would've been embellished and tweaked at some point to fit agendas.

 

[MickHewitt]

Essentially clementine recognitions and homilies are two novels from the third or fourth century they vary about 20% but derrive from the same lost source texts. They are allegedly a series of ten letters Clement wrote to Jesus half brother James about his conversion by Peter and subsequent experiences as his traveling companion as the apostle preached, appointed brothers to positions in congregations and got into debates with Simon Magus. It appears that the churches received it in the fourth century from a sect of Jewish Christians that might not have been that fond of Paul. It's an interesting though long read. There are issues with it at times for example Peter argues in favor of the immortal soul doctrine a writer or editor could have been influenced in having that by the apocalypse of Peter a 2nd century forgery that was the origin of the hellfire doctrine. Possibly records kept by remnants from the Jerusalem congregation and later embellished and tweaked to fit agendas.

Thanks; Christianity has come along way and touched many lives. We are chroniclers of a unique time!

 

[White Stone]

Essentially clementine recognitions and homilies are two novels from the third or fourth century they vary about 20% but derrive from the same lost source texts. They are allegedly a series of ten letters Clement wrote to Jesus half brother James about his conversion by Peter and subsequent experiences as his traveling companion as the apostle preached, appointed brothers to positions in congregations and got into debates with Simon Magus. It appears that the churches received it in the fourth century from a sect of Jewish Christians that might not have been that fond of Paul. It's an interesting though long read. There are issues with it at times for example Peter argues in favor of the immortal soul doctrine a writer or editor could have been influenced in having that by the apocalypse of Peter a 2nd century forgery that was the origin of the hellfire doctrine. Possibly the og text drew from records kept by remnants from the Jerusalem congregation that would've been embellished and tweaked at some point to fit agendas.

The Pharisees believe of the immortality of the soul according to Josephus and of the hellfire. Jesus used such belief with his illustration to the Pharisees with the Rich man and Lazarus.(Luke 16:14-31)

 

[The God Pill]

So far not read much my neck has seized. But interesting was knowledge that Carthage was needlessly sacked. They had surrendered and laid down their arms to Rome! The desolator was taking shape in the methods of Rome why? I found previous empires assimilated and gave opportunity to their captives! Daniel describes Roman methods such! Dan9:26. "What is decided upon is desolations!" Oh! Something else GP: Socrates was deep state to infiltrate Plato's teachings! I hope I am giving truthful reports. All my stuff comes from Canadian Patriot and Cynthia Chun/ LaRouche....and Schiller Institute all ..same thing. I envy your appetite brother and more so I bet your retention is holding sound. Surely what every good witness needs.

Retention has always been phenomenal but I do worry that prion shedding might be a risk of premature dementia nowadays. Never hesitate to share on history only school topic I enjoyed more than physics. True Rome was consistent with its depiction in Daniel that said Carthage was a Phoenician Canaanite civilization. You've been around far longer than me have had more years both of experience and to build up your library. Among our old items at home is a small middle school math textbook from the 19th century today it would be considered college level so I always tell anyone from previous generations never to sell themselves short they are much better educated. You're definitely far ahead of me on Plato as far as his work I've only read Timaeus so far so certainly lend us your thoughts on him and Socrates. May Jehovah continue to bless every dive you take into scripture brother.

 

[MickHewitt]

Retention has always been phenomenal but I do worry that prion shedding might be a risk of premature dementia nowadays. Never hesitate to share on history only school topic I enjoyed more than physics. True Rome was consistent with its depiction in Daniel that said Carthage was a Phoenician Canaanite civilization. You've been around far longer than me have had more years both of experience and to build up your library. Among our old items at home is a small middle school math textbook from the 19th century today it would be considered college level so I always tell anyone from previous generations never to sell themselves short they are much better educated. You're definitely far ahead of me on Plato as far as his work I've only read Timaeus so far so certainly lend us your thoughts on him and Socrates. May Jehovah continue to bless every dive you take into scripture brother.

In real terms I have only woken to such exciting research since joining e-watchman's site. despite neurological problems, I'm blessed with an appetite, what is in my head is in there we are witnesses to a great truth now: If watchtower would have done it's job properly we would have been educated to this level decades back! The witnesses must be having success in the field work right now what with the signs 'Peace being taken away', 'People becoming faint out of fear not knowing way out'?

 

[The God Pill]

@Nomex
Excerpt of clementine recognitions book 4

But they are not concealed from us, who know the mysteries of the creation, and for what reason it is permitted to the demons to do those things in the present world; how it is allowed them to transform themselves into what figures they please, and to suggest evil thoughts, and to convey themselves, by means of meats and of drink consecrated to them, into the minds or bodies of those who partake of it, and to concoct vain dreams to further the worship of some idol.

Looked it up and lot of online articles and reddit suggest the so called "orthodox" third of christendom take demonic dreams as a for granted reality.

 

[MickHewitt]

@Nomex
Excerpt of clementine recognitions book 4

But they are not concealed from us, who know the mysteries of the creation, and for what reason it is permitted to the demons to do those things in the present world; how it is allowed them to transform themselves into what figures they please, and to suggest evil thoughts, and to convey themselves, by means of meats and of drink consecrated to them, into the minds or bodies of those who partake of it, and to concoct vain dreams to further the worship of some idol.

Looked it up and lot of online articles and reddit suggest the so called "orthodox" third of christendom take demonic dreams as a for granted reality.

It's no wonder why Babylon the Great plays host to what Revelation describes as unclean spirits and hated birds!18:2....I wonder what Christ said to them in Tartarus?

 

[The God Pill]

It's no wonder why Babylon the Great plays host to what Revelation describes as unclean spirits and hated birds!18:2....I wonder what Christ said to them in Tartarus?

It would definitely be interesting to find out what he said. On the birds maybe it's Sirens the term shows up a few times in the lxx.

 

[MickHewitt]

It would definitely be interesting to find out what he said. On the birds maybe it's Sirens the term shows up a few times in the lxx.

The hardest disentanglement from the literal is understanding the symbolism in scripture? Obviously angels/spirits have no need of wings they surely symbolise freedom of movement? On the other hand their measure of a cubit is also a mans?Rev21:17

 

[The God Pill]

On book 7 the story is getting a bit too convenient with Peter bumping into Clement's mother he hadn't seem since he was 12 just a few paragraphs after Clement talks about his family background. It reminds me how there were so many New Testament fanfictions inspired by Acts of the Apostles in the 2nd and 3rd century Acts of this apostle or that one etc

 

[MickHewitt]

On book 7 the story is getting a bit too convenient with Peter bumping into Clement's mother he hadn't seem since he was 12 just a few paragraphs after Clement talks about his family background. It reminds me how there were so many New Testament fanfictions inspired by Acts of the Apostles in the 2nd and 3rd century Acts of this apostle or that one etc

They give prominence or reference to the man Peter rather than God. Who do they think they are impressing?.name droppers..titter!

 

[The God Pill]

They give prominence or reference to the man Peter rather than God. Who do they think they are impressing?.name droppers..titter!

I follow you yes the name of God doesn't show up only titles of god.

It doesn't actually elevate Peter as much as a catholic text would besides Peter having a familiarity with greek debate narratively explainable by some of his companions backgrounds rather it elevates James Jesus half brother both in authority and in asserting the letter of James is what any NT Era writing must be tested against. At the time it was circulating there's a lot that's suppressed historically because around the time of Nicea Jesus half brothers descendants were still alive and were still considered something of a royal family by the scattered remnants and sects that came from the Jerusalem congregation after the destruction of the city. The bishops of Rome had a long history of trying to assert themselves over and dominate the other congregations as early as the mid second century but the state endorsement of papal authority and hence the Peter prince of the apostles narrative appears to undermine any claim Jesus distant relatives could make to spiritual or political authority. It was sent to the gentile church as a reminder of their hebrew roots a show us some respect dont forget where you came from etc. Not much theological value as christendom was too corupt by then It's more an insight into judaizer sects than anything we have a lot more proto catholic and gnostic works preserved than theirs.

If i remember right in book 2 there was a debate between the characters of Peter and Simon Magus on the Deuteronomy 32 worldview and in my assessment both positions argued were half right, half wrong.

Book 8 is pretty funny with one of the Christians (one of Clement's two brothers) as he's dismissing various Greek philosophies arguing against the theory of atoms ⚛

 

[MickHewitt]

I follow you yes the name of God doesn't show up only titles of god.

It doesn't actually elevate Peter as much as a catholic text would besides Peter having a familiarity with greek debate narratively explainable by some of his companions backgrounds rather it elevates James Jesus half brother both in authority and in asserting the letter of James is what any NT Era writing must be tested against. At the time it was circulating there's a lot that's suppressed historically because around the time of Nicea Jesus half brothers descendants were still alive and were still considered something of a royal family by the scattered remnants and sects that came from the Jerusalem congregation after the destruction of the city. The bishops of Rome had a long history of trying to assert themselves over and dominate the other congregations as early as the mid second century but the state endorsement of papal authority and hence the Peter prince of the apostles narrative appears to undermine any claim Jesus distant relatives could make to spiritual or political authority. It was sent to the gentile church as a reminder of their hebrew roots a show us some respect dont forget where you came from etc. Not much theological value as christendom was too corupt by then It's more an insight into judaizer sects than anything we have a lot more proto catholic and gnostic works preserved than theirs.

If i remember right in book 2 there was a debate between the characters of Peter and Simon Magus on the Deuteronomy 32 worldview and in my assessment both positions argued were half right, half wrong.

Book 8 is pretty funny with one of the Christians (one of Clement's two brothers) as he's dismissing various Greek philosophies arguing against the theory of atoms ⚛

It shows they are more mythological than theological: Even the old queen mother gave that old myth to Charles that they are descendents of Mary Magdalene who had an affair with our exemplar Christ....They have difficulties dealing with their mortality. Thanks for your incite GP.

 

[The God Pill]

It's equally amusing and sad how easily many still fall for the gnostic magdalene myth.

By dynasty I mean largely hereditary succession of bishops of jerusalem for a while Eusbesius records many of then as individuals they tended to run things pretty briefly because of how quickly many were martyred the Emperor Domitan even interogated the grandsons of Jude and let them go. Descendants of Jesus brothers and cousins had no political ambitions I was saying Roman emperors might have been concerned that these people would have more weight to them if they made divine right of kings type claims than the emperors had and so they favored the Peter pope myth and distancing the christian church from its jewish roots. Eusbesius stops tracking the family after a while in his history as it's not very politically correct in his circumstances to mention them closer to his time than the 2nd century.

 

[The God Pill]

Bit more scientific errors in recognitions

"And not only males are produced, but females also, that by means of both the race may be perpetuated. But lest this should seem, as some think, to be done by a certain order of nature, and not by the appointment of the Creator, He has, as a proof and indication of His providence, ordained a few animals to preserve their stock on the earth in an exceptional way: for example, the crow conceives through the mouth, and the weasel brings forth through the ear; and some birds, such as hens, sometimes produce eggs conceived of wind or dust; other animals convert the male into the female, and change their sex every year, as hares and hyænas, which they call monsters; others spring from the earth, and get their bodies from it, as moles; others from ashes, as vipers; others from putrifying flesh, as wasps from horseflesh, bees from ox-flesh; others from cow-dung, as beetles; others from herbs, as the scorpion from the basil; and again, herbs from animals, as parsley and asparagus from the horn of the stag or the she goat"

 

[The God Pill]

Finished book 9 last night was very catholic compared to the first two acts with a lot of talk on how wonderful hellfire is because you can't expect people to obey God out of love rather than fear etc (groan) while the family reunions come across as pretty fairy taily Clement's background is kind of cool if valid given the historical person wrote 1 Clement. Timeline of story is sketchy most of it would be plausible 2-10 years after the story but clements conversion is depicted as only 7 years after Jesus death. Book 9 mentions Thomas's trips to India as well as his time in Persia on the way suggesting possible familiarity with the so called Acts of Thomas but Thomas didn't go to India till around 51 AD even later in the timeline.

 

[The God Pill]

At the moment I'm on kindle edition of king of the jews temple theology and John's gospel it was expensive but meaty at 630 pages. The thing I like learning more about most from it so far is the feast of tabernacles/festival of booths

 

[MickHewitt]

At the moment I'm on kindle edition of king of the jews temple theology and John's gospel it was expensive but meaty at 650 pages. The thing I like learning more about most from it so far is the feast of tabernacles/festival of booths

I'm sure there will be those who will take you into the small hours with conversations to tease your intellect on such subjects GP, untill that time may we with Jah's help endure this vacuum in understanding developments of history, true history that is. Thanks for sharing your studies. It says much about your meticulous eye for truth and it's accuracy!