BagdadBill
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Wel
Well said
Everything about Covid is a lie-The Summary
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SusanB
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Proverbs 18:17: “The first to state his case seems right, Until the other party comes and cross-examines him.”
I too believe in truth. I see your points but I think they can all be answered, but not in black and white. Your points have some truth and some error. However, I’m not here to debate whether COVID exists and I don’t think that will be a criteria for worshipping in truth. And in fact it is Jehovah himself that warns us in his word not to debate because it doesn’t leave us upbuilt spiritually.
1 Timothy 6:4-5: “he is puffed up with pride and does not understand anything. He is obsessed with arguments and debates about words. These things give rise to envy, strife, slander, wicked suspicions, constant disputes about minor matters by men who are corrupted in mind and deprived of the truth, thinking that godly devotion is a means of gain”.
I realize there are people like you who think COVID is entirely a scam and does not exist. I respect your right to believe that but I don’t subscribe to that. And, I don’t think I am promoting a Satanic lie. I think what is more important is the fact that they used COVID to cause harm on the population and force unsafe vaccines.
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Carl
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That’s the comment of the century. I had a very hard time opening my mind to terrain theory, but I looked into it and I can’t prove it wrong. How can I convince atheists to relook at Darwin’s theory of evolution if I won’t look at a theory that completely upends everything I know? Meek means teachable, and teachable means being open minded. Being open minded doesn’t mean being naive though. Only by sticking to Jehovah and Jesus will we be able to discern Truth from lie.
SusanB
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Yea but Darwin’s theory of evolution involves who we credit with creation. Terrain theory has nothing to do with the truth about Jehovah. There is no end to so-called knowledge but I think its important to focus as much as possible on knowledge of our God and I thought his forum was dedicated to that. Perhaps I’m wrong.
1 Timothy 6:20-21: “Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, turning away from the empty speeches that violate what is holy and from the contradictions of the falsely called “knowledge.” By making a show of such knowledge, some have deviated from the faith. May the undeserved kindness be with you.”
Carl
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Can’t argue with that.
יהוה_saves
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@StillA_WorshiperOfJah
You’ll never get answers to your extremely valid questions. Ever.
Why? Because everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, that we’ve been told about Covid is a vicious lie.
it was NEVER about the Covid, it was ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS about getting us to submit
to these evil, deadly injections.
You’ll never get answers to your extremely valid questions. Ever.
Why? Because everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, that we’ve been told about Covid is a vicious lie.
it was NEVER about the Covid, it was ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS about getting us to submit
to these evil, deadly injections.
Ms_ladyblue
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@StillA_WorshiperOfJah
I totally agree with your line of reasoning.
I saw this false narrative from the beginning.
Ms_ladyblue
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@Driven
I’m sorry but I have to disagree here. I’ve always appreciated your insight on various topics on this forum but your expressions like you saying that germ theory has something to do with our worship of Jehovah.
And what does the terrain theory have to do with our worship of Jehovah?
Personally, I don’t think that 1Timothy 6:20,21 has anything to do with whether or not we believe in terrain theory or germ theory.
And think about it…they are both THEORIES! Just like the world promotes the EVOLUTION THEORY…It’s still just a theory, unless the definition of that has changed too.
Also, nobody’s making a show of any knowledge. Aren’t we always providing some kind of evidence of whatever we’re discussing on this forum? We need to be civil here and allow others to express their opinions and showing their evidence if need be.
When it comes to germ vs terrain, aren’t they are both THEORIES? So far I haven’t seen where this has caused any controversy….but I do understand that this has hit a nerve with you. And I am sorry …. you don’t have to agree but if they are others who wish to express something that they know to be factual, because they as well as myself have done extensive research on this, what’s the problem?
The only reason why you probably feel so strongly the way you and many others do is because we were all conditioned through the
years, being convinced that the medical establishment was telling us the truth about our health and looking out for our well being.
Personally, I believe the science that’s been put before us today is like a religion and you either have to believe it or you’re a nut case. Just think about it….
I’m in no way trying to force my ideas on you but please respect others ideas and what they know to be factual and true.
Tell me, when you consider all the lies we’ve been told for years, especially the last two years, why would you think the terrain theory to be not so acceptable? Who benefits the most? Belief in the germ theory or the terrain theory?
Terrain theory is nothing new. It’s just been suppressed for over a hundred years and that’s for a reason $$$
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יהוה_saves
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@Ms_ladyblue
well said.
I need to do more research on these subjects re germ theory/terrain theory, as both are fascinating.
I watched the video you posted- i think yesterday- It was really intersting and explained everything in easy to understand terms.
Here’s the deal- i think all people should have a voice- a voice to share their ideas without fear of reprisal. The only exception to that is WT propaganda- it has no place here. It’s really the only thing that would run me off this forum for good- if that were to take hold and flourish here, i’d have to leave- for now i use the ignore feature.
Other than that, as long as we respect the forum rules and respect each other, there is nothing wrong with positing that Covid is a huge scam on the world for reasons I think everyone knows, reasons that are quite horrifying to be honest.
When we were in WT we were often told: Don’t say this- you’re not supposed to talk about that.
We put everything on the line to be here so we can speak freely and speak truth before our God.
If someone thinks i’m a nut for not believing Covid 19 is a real virus, im ok with it. Honestly i don’t know what to believe . I don’t really care anymore.
But i’m not ok with having my faith put down over what amounts to an opinion.
@StillA_WorshiperOfJah your questions are valid and they deserve answers. they certainly made me think. I’d add these to your questions:
1) If Covid 19 were real, why were hospitals paid $15,000 for each case and $40K for each death, incentivizing the spread of this pandemic. That is quite an incentive for hospital$;
2) If Covid 19 were real, how come there is a thriving homeless population in downtown Portland that has been there and growing larger and larger through-out the beginning of this pandemic up till now? Shouldn’t they all be dead or dying? Yet they’re out there everyday doing their thing to make Portland a miserable place to live.
3) How come Haita has a Covid death rate of 1.4% and Tanzania’s is even less than that, and the people of both nations refused the vaccines. They are the healthiest people on the planet right now- interesting fact- both countries leaders were assassinated recently and replaced with WEF stooges;
4) How come they told us losing our taste and smell was a unique symptom of Covid 19- it’s not. Taste is directly connected to smell- anytime our noses are stuffed up due to a cold or allergies, we’re not going to taste or smell for while;
well said.
I need to do more research on these subjects re germ theory/terrain theory, as both are fascinating.
I watched the video you posted- i think yesterday- It was really intersting and explained everything in easy to understand terms.
Here’s the deal- i think all people should have a voice- a voice to share their ideas without fear of reprisal. The only exception to that is WT propaganda- it has no place here. It’s really the only thing that would run me off this forum for good- if that were to take hold and flourish here, i’d have to leave- for now i use the ignore feature.
Other than that, as long as we respect the forum rules and respect each other, there is nothing wrong with positing that Covid is a huge scam on the world for reasons I think everyone knows, reasons that are quite horrifying to be honest.
When we were in WT we were often told: Don’t say this- you’re not supposed to talk about that.
We put everything on the line to be here so we can speak freely and speak truth before our God.
If someone thinks i’m a nut for not believing Covid 19 is a real virus, im ok with it. Honestly i don’t know what to believe . I don’t really care anymore.
But i’m not ok with having my faith put down over what amounts to an opinion.
@StillA_WorshiperOfJah your questions are valid and they deserve answers. they certainly made me think. I’d add these to your questions:
1) If Covid 19 were real, why were hospitals paid $15,000 for each case and $40K for each death, incentivizing the spread of this pandemic. That is quite an incentive for hospital$;
2) If Covid 19 were real, how come there is a thriving homeless population in downtown Portland that has been there and growing larger and larger through-out the beginning of this pandemic up till now? Shouldn’t they all be dead or dying? Yet they’re out there everyday doing their thing to make Portland a miserable place to live.
3) How come Haita has a Covid death rate of 1.4% and Tanzania’s is even less than that, and the people of both nations refused the vaccines. They are the healthiest people on the planet right now- interesting fact- both countries leaders were assassinated recently and replaced with WEF stooges;
4) How come they told us losing our taste and smell was a unique symptom of Covid 19- it’s not. Taste is directly connected to smell- anytime our noses are stuffed up due to a cold or allergies, we’re not going to taste or smell for while;
StillA_WorshiperOfJah
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Some good additional points especially no. 1@Ms_ladyblue
well said.
I need to do more research on these subjects re germ theory/terrain theory, as both are fascinating.
I watched the video you posted- i think yesterday- It was really intersting and explained everything in easy to understand terms.
Here’s the deal- i think all people should have a voice- a voice to share their ideas without fear of reprisal. The only exception to that is WT propaganda- it has no place here. It’s really the only thing that would run me off this forum for good- if that were to take hold and flourish here, i’d have to leave- for now i use the ignore feature.
Other than that, as long as we respect the forum rules and respect each other, there is nothing wrong with positing that Covid is a huge scam on the world for reasons I think everyone knows, reasons that are quite horrifying to be honest.
When we were in WT we were often told: Don’t say this- you’re not supposed to talk about that.
We put everything on the line to be here so we can speak freely and speak truth before our God.
If someone thinks i’m a nut for not believing Covid 19 is a real virus, im ok with it. Honestly i don’t know what to believe . I don’t really care anymore.
But i’m not ok with having my faith put down over what amounts to an opinion.
@StillA_WorshiperOfJah your questions are valid and they deserve answers. they certainly made me think. I’d add these to your questions:
1) If Covid 19 were real, why were hospitals paid $15,000 for each case and $40K for each death, incentivizing the spread of this pandemic. That is quite an incentive for hospital$;
2) If Covid 19 were real, how come there is a thriving homeless population in downtown Portland that has been there and growing larger and larger through-out the beginning of this pandemic up till now? Shouldn’t they all be dead or dying? Yet they’re out there everyday doing their thing to make Portland a miserable place to live.
3) How come Haita has a Covid death rate of 1.4% and Tanzania’s is even less than that, and the people of both nations refused the vaccines. They are the healthiest people on the planet right now- interesting fact- both countries leaders were assassinated recently and replaced with WEF stooges;
4) How come they told us losing our taste and smell was a unique symptom of Covid 19- it’s not. Taste is directly connected to smell- anytime our noses are stuffed up due to a cold or allergies, we’re not going to taste or smell for while;
StillA_WorshiperOfJah
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I think it is a fascinating subject. I wish I could prove it one way or the other. I also wish I could fly a rocket into space to prove the shape of the earth; but that won't happen either.
I did some self experimentation back in the winter, with some interesting results. I might put it in a separate post, if I get time.
StillA_WorshiperOfJah
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At least we can agree on this
Carl
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***Sorry for the rant***
I don't prescribe medications anymore. I'm an eye doctor, but when a patient complains of dry/itchy eyes... I "prescribe" baby shampoo lid scrubs. I'll tell them to gently wash their lids and lashes... and for most that works. In fact, I had a long time patient who developed dry eye, but told her PC instead of coming to me. He sent her to, and I quote, "the top dry eye doctor in the state." His medications didn't help, but when she washed her lids & lashes after coming to see me for a routine exam... she was cured.
I don't believe all branches of medicine are bad. Emergency/trauma medicine is excellent. I'm supposed to dilate every patient, but I haven't had a dilated eye exam in 20 years! I can't be a hypocrite, so I offer, and when they ask if they need it done... I tell them how long it's been since I had one, and they laugh then decline. People used to come to me because they knew I wouldn't pressure them to take the drops. They just wanted glasses and/or contacts, and so they appreciated being treated as a grown-up, and given choices. They accepted that sometimes things happen, and we can't prevent every problem by over doctoring. That said, due to some people's lifestyle diseases, annual dilations are necessary.* This is my disclaimer. lol
I could tell so may stories about how wrong the medical system is. I have a friend who makes about a million a year because he practices to the full extent of his license.... others make more than that. What does this mean? I have to accumulate 40 hours of continuing education every 2 years to renew my license. Some of this CE can be "practice management" courses, where you're taught how to bill insurance. We're now being actively encouraged, coerced even, to find and bill out EVERYTHING. One rouge eyelash is touching your eyeball? I pluck it and bill out $150. Your eyes feel a little dry? RTC in 1 week for a $600 dry eye work-up the techs perform. It's disgusting, so I quit. I closed my practice after I realized I would have to drain my patients financially due to their ever increasing co-pays. It's horrible, doctors have become salesmen. We aren't free to practice how we want anymore, because most have been forced to sell their practice and work for large corporations who want us to bill out everything.
We've been propagandized into worshipping doctors as demi-gods. This has all been carefully orchestrated over the past 100+ years as the medical industry shifted from a cure centered approach to a maintenance centered one. Now medicine is in the final stage of it's purpose, euthanasia. There has been an explosion of schools built to spit out robots who will follow orders and NOT think critically. My cousin's daughter told me she wants to become a doctor and I told her it's a waste of time. I told her that eventually medicine will be this... a technician conducts multiple tests, an algorithm adds them up, and the doctor reads the diagnosis and treatment plan, NOT the cure.
I want to CURE problems, not treat them! I'm an eye doctor, yet I "cured" a woman's knee issue back in 2018. She came in for a routine eye exam, and in the course of discussion I learned she was going in for a knee replacement in a month, so I recommended she take curcumin/black pepper combo to help with recovery. She came back 2 months later, hugged me and said her surgery was canceled because her knee pain went from an "8/10 to 1/10." The surgeon was most likely annoyed, because he lost $40,000! I recently "cured" my mom's melanoma only thanks to her narcissism. She had a large spot on her nose that a dermatologist was going to remove, but it would have left a nasty scar... so I recommended she use oregano oil to shrink/remove it. She did, and the surgeon didn't give it any thought. If he knows you can avoid surgery by simply using an essential oil, but he instead cuts and bills out $1,000s... he's either a sociopath or deeply asleep. I place "cured" in quotes because it was Jehovah who cured them, I just showed them how.
Sorry for the rant, but I'm so sick of this COVID lie! I've be seeing and treating patients who take HCQ for over 20 years... now all of a sudden it's a poison? I received emails from the state warning us we could lose our license if we prescribed improperly. We were taught how to use medications "off label," but not in the case of COVID? Why? Where are the studies? There are none. We were taught to NEVER vaccinate a pregnant woman, but now it's OK? Where are the long term studies? We were taught to suspect HIV/AIDS when we see shingles in a patient below 40, now it's monkeypox? Again, where are the studies? Ahhh... studies. Do you know how many times a drug rep would show me a "study" confirming their medication was the best? They ALL can't be the best, yet each one had a "study" in hand proving their expensive chemicals worked better than every other companies chemicals. Then I realized there's a whole industry built around designing studies to give you the results you want.
I feel sorry for the new grads who owe $400,000+. They're debt slaves who lack critical thinking skills... much the same as new lawyers. I predict we're going to see mass suicides in medicine once these young doctors, anyone practicing 10 years or less, wake up and realize they've been lied to. Those doctors who actually went to school because they care, these are the ones who will quit, change to a holistic approach or kill themselves... then society is left with the narcissists and sociopaths. God help us then!
Carl
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I listen to the SGT Report on BitChute, and he recently had a guy on who came to believe in the Bible thanks to "flat earthers." This former atheist now challenges anyone to prove his flat earth theory wrong by offering 3 bitcoins to anyone who does. Why do people like Neil DeGrasse Tyson refuse to debate people like him? If they're correct and they would wipe the floor with him, this would end the debate once and for all. I saw a clip of Buzz Aldrin telling a little girl we haven't gone to the moon yet? Like what? Right there on tape! My boys think the flat earthers are nuts, or a government psyop... I told them I can't prove it either way, but when it comes to the establishment, I know they lie, so which of their historical facts are we to believe? I'm at the point where I'm with Driven on this topic though. It's not worth wasting time on... so I leave it in Jehovah's hands. My mind is WIDE OPEN though. The only thing my mind is closed to is allowing any doubt about Jehovah and Jesus. That's settled science for me!
StillA_WorshiperOfJah
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I agree. I am not sure either. I believed the earth was round because I thought the bible said so, then I realised 'circle' of the earth' isn't necessarily a sphere.
I thought about it and realised that if I had conclusive proof one way or the other, nothing would change for me. I would still have to get up, go to work and do chores tomorrow. My home wont fly off into space I could still drive my car. The bible would still be true and Jehovah would still be my creator. There will still be time differences between countries. I could even still ride in a plane if I was prepared to strap a muzzle on my face.
I find the covid hoax far more sinister because of the agendas behind it, that's why it upsets me.
I saw thar clip of Aldrin as well. Crazy stuff. And another of when they supposedly had just returned from their ‘history making trip’ The three of them were sitting there answering questions as if it was just another day. They didn’t seem excited or thrilled that they’d just been to the moon !!! It was all very average. If I had just returned from the moon I’d be bursting with excitement and eager to tell every single person every single thing that happened. I don’t believe it for a moment, I have many reasons for this. But do believe we’ll know the truth one day.
Yep, they lie about everything. I’m just glad that I’m aware of their garbage.
Excellent ! Love it ! Great reasoning !
Ms_ladyblue
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@Carl
Your ‘rant’ is well taken and you have good reason for feeling the way you do. It’s very telling and thank you for sharing that information.
I heard many doctors having these same complaints about not being able to practice freely how they want anymore.
It’s actually criminal the way they’re “practicing“ medicine.
A sister I know in the congregation here is an RN. A few years ago she told me about a conversation she had with a doctor who said to her, after coming out of medical school he was told to forget about everything he had learned because he needed to follow guidelines in support of the pharmaceutical industry. So I believe you when you say after the doctors diagnose rather than coming up with a cure it’s a ‘treatment plan.’
Your comment about there being a whole industry being built around designing studies to give you the results you want doesn’t surprise me in the least. I figured they had something in place like that to help promote their lies!
At the beginning of this pandemic, I found it strange that several doctors were wanting to help come up with a cure or remedy to help cure COVID. This was before most knew it was a big lie. Anyway, they called the proper channels to request the data that had the studies to show that the virus was isolated. After waiting and calling numerous times after not hearing back…finally someone from CDC said there is absolutely no data to report that this corona virus has ever been isolated.
In fact, they have never had any evidence of any virus that’s been isolated!
Yes, they can make up studies by applying a particle from someone’s saliva onto a glass slide, stain it and add other chemicals to it and come up what they call isolation, but they never have been able to actually isolate and purify said virus of any kind period.
So they came up with this picture
we were constantly shown every day. This could have very well been drawn by a child. So we’re all seeing this repeatedly day in and day out! This is the scary covid monster that’s going to kill off the whole world if we don’t shoot everyone up with our safe and effective vaccine! Except, uh no, we need a second one, uh no wait, uh, we’re going to need a booster…nope, now we’ll need to get a booster every 9 months! It’s maddening!!!Now everyone seems to like playing this game and on it goes! Except people everywhere are now being injured or killed and I’m very saddened by it all. I’m afraid that our society is already being run by the narcissists and sociopaths. I believe the time is close that Jehovah will definitely have to step in and help us!
**Rant over**
Carl
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When a cell is expelling waste it encapsulates the material in what's called a vesicle, then microtubules assemble, transport it to the cell membrane, then they disassemble. These vesicles then merge with the cell membrane and excrete the material in the surrounding plasma for processing by the kidneys, liver, lungs or skin. "Viruses" look A LOT like vesicles... just saying!
There's no evidence COVID was isolated, so they used computer modeling to guess at its genetic make up. Funny thing is, they claim these new variants are mutants, but with zero proof as well. How can we tell there's no proof? Because the COVID test kits can't differentiate. They're just making it up as they go along and adding to the lie... and the public eats it up.
Ms_ladyblue
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@Carl
So, in response to to your first comment could I put it like this: First of all viruses must have a cell to replicate. viruses are created in their whole form within the cell—they do not come from outside the body. Viruses occur in the body as a result of systemic toxicity not because the body has been invaded by an external threat.
In order for anyone to understand this better ( and I’m not necessarily talking to you Carl) we have to go back to the beginning of where and how this all got started.
The idea that viruses are invading agents that cause disease was created by Louis Pasteur in the 1800’s. His theory as you well know, known as the germ theory of disease, is the catalyst for all theories existing in the medical profession. Germ theory is responsible for the use of pasteurization, vaccines, and medical treatments.
At the same time Louis Pasteur was developing his germ theory, there was another French scientist by the name of Antoine Bechamp came up with his own theory of disease, and documented and proved it in his book, ‘The Third Element of Blood.’ His theory was radically different, called the Terrain theory.
Have you ever heard of this French scientist? Just wanted to throw this out there to see what you think.
Of course there’s more on this topic that could be expounded on.