BARNABY THE DOG.
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Has the watchtower sold another hall And evicted the congregation again?
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MickHewitt
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They must have heard the mother hen and coming home to roost.
Actually, I do claim to be a prophet using the same criteria as the Watchtower in its claim to be the voice of the prophet class. The Wt claims that all anointed persons make up a Jeremiah class and an Ezekiel class, etc. However, little do JWs realize though, and perhaps the GB do not realize it either, but the WT has repudiated that they function as any sort of prophet due to the fact that in their Pure Worship publication they trashed the concept that Jerusalem in the time of the prophets foreshadows Christendom. Obviously, if Christendom is not the antitypical Jerusalem then JWs are not any sort of Ezekiel. That is, of course, what I have stated from the beginning; namely, that Jerusalem represents Christ's congregation. Since the WT cannot be expected to announce Jehovah's judgments against itself, by default, that pretty much leaves me in the role of Jeremiah, Ezekiel, etc. However, I prefer the term "watchman" rather than "prophet."
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BARNABY THE DOG.
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I am sure that is correct Robert. I cannot claim a full understanding of the term or indeed the responsibility such entails. What I am sure of is the growth of spirituality that emanates from the site as it bears its own fruitage of the spirit and it’s relationship to and from the scripture. That is certainly prophesied and thus the entitlement must belong somewhere. You cannot have one without the other. Keep Going!
TheJehuChariot
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Sir Robert, have you summized how many lashings are due you by the Lord when he returns? I heard its hot barbed wire that is used. Don't worry, just hold onto some Aloe Vera gel. I'm a little concerned about my turn...
kirmmy
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My thoughts as well Driven.
White Stone
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This much clear things up. I have thought when I read that comment, you had a revelation from Jehovah like the prophets of old. That’s why I joined in this forum and shared my experiences in hope that you had the similar experience also I had or another that we could share with one another. But that’s not just the reason I also joined here. I can see that you also have a deep understanding of the scriptures that I saw can also benefit me along the way. Having also other people here who pursue the truth was like a breathe of fresh air.
White Stone
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Dreams from God are not always spectacular like that of Daniel but can be different than a normal dream. Like Paul’s dream of being invited to cross over to Macedonia. He concluded that it was from God.(Acts 16:9,10)
Dreams also are not exclusive for the anointed, it can be even given to those not servant of Jehovah.For example, the dream of the chief cupbearer and the chief baker, Pharaoh and Alexander the Great. So the great crowd can also experience it.
Someone here in the forum I can’t remember exactly, shared his dream about the two roads, one leading to life and the other to destruction. I can conclude that that dream is from God as he was guided or reminded on what path to take.
It seems to me that God will not communicate through dreams to those who do not even believe in it, like in the time of Jesus where he had done miracles only to those who believe. But still, God will communicate to us through other means such as the Bible, or friends and family etc. on certain path to take or to be reminded.
TheJehuChariot
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Your delusion has no end.
White Stone
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Your attitude reveals what you truly are from the heart. I don’t know what you have been going through to have this bitterness.
Cristo
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Or it could be he just had a bad dream for No other reason than he had one. Why must a bad dream mean one has succumbed to the power of Saran?
White Stone
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Just as dreams does not always originate with God, so does nightmares may always not originate with Satan. But nightmares do affect us badly in other ways, some to great extent, to others not that much. I think Satan uses that to some extent. That’s why some people commit suicide as it may have affected them throughout the day, from awake even when asleep causing depression and anxiety.
When BTD said that he get dreadful nightmares, I assumed that it may come from Satan and I wanted to help. Satan uses our weaknesses to make us more stressed, even on our sleep—the time that should have our minds relieved or escape from daily stresses and struggles we faced everyday.
During the pandemic, suicide rates have become higher than ever before. I heard from a nearby congregation that a son of an elder has committed suicide. What could have made him make that decision? Truly, we are living in critical times.
White Stone
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We have to remember that these are powerful spiritual entities, being wicked at that! We have a struggle against them everyday. They can put a thought in our mind to commit sin or influence us subtly in a way, giving us temptation.
That’s why it’s necessary for Satan to be bound for a thousand years. But even then peoples after that thousand year of being perfect can still be influence by Satan just as how he influenced Eve. That’s how powerful he is.
But Jehovah and Jesus Christ are more powerful than him. That’s why we are to call to them when are being tempted and be delivered from the wicked one.
BARNABY THE DOG.
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But why would Jehovah speak in a dream that the recipient could not understand? It does not make sense unless it has an outcome. In the bible, such inexplicable dreams or visions are recorded for the very point of it’s revelation in meaning. The bible notes on one occasion at least, that seers and tellers of fortune were summoned to explain the dream, but could not. Thus Daniel‘s explanation, that proved True, became an explicit lesson from Jehovah. I think you may not be correct in assuming that Jehovah would not engender a dream in a person whom did not believe that dreams may have a significance. The reason being as stated above. Someone else, as a clear and known follower of Jehovah is given the task of revealing such prophesy, so that Jehovah is glorified. Moses was used in similar fashion, not in dreams, but in prophesy, but the issue is the same.
Your argument in that Jehovah would only speak in dreams to those that believe that He would do so, is in my opinion flawed. As the bible shows, the very act of interpretation from an outside source is used to reveal Jehovah’s judgement for the very reason, man could not. Jesus gave examples of miracles to those who followed him for a specific reason to establish outcomes in faith through a lesson. E.g, fishing from the other side of the boat.. He also spoke in terms they could not understand for the same reason. ‘…Eat of my flesh, drink of my blood.” Did they have to believe in that to understand it? Clearly not. Did Jesus explain himself, there and then? No. So then, it appears that Jehovah follows His own laws in communication, ergo, equal and opposite forces have a reaction on the mind, as well as in objects. Teaching, learning, is acquired through other ways other than explicit examples and we see that learning can be acquired through the very act of not understanding and of being impelled to seek an answer. That takes faith.
There is another pitfall in seeking to attribute Jehovah’s intervention and thus gain fame as a seer. The brother who mentioned his dream of the wide and narrow pathways is more easily explained in that the brain reviews information independently of consciousness. There are several levels of consciousness (five) that we know of. It would be far more likely that the processes by which these levels function are responsible in that Jehovah designed the brain to perform such, than by His direct intervention.
I do not doubt that Jehovah does, and would lead His people. I assume myself to have seen His hand in my life course in retrospect. If the brethren feel that they have been spoken to or reminded by Jehovah then who am I to gainsay such heartfelt reward? If reward it is and not self imposed. The very point of the scripture and trial of life at this time, indeed, throughout history, is that we strive for ourselves to show faith in every expression of our daily life. Are we to assume then, that this is all helped along by dreams we do not understand, and every small success we achieve as a direct intervention from the creator? How then do we invest the figurative Talent He has given us to spend and increase for Him? The example you offer about Paul hardly bears confirmation of your point when applied to a man that was personally visited, spoken to and blinded by Christ on his journey to Damascus. If that occurred to me and that later I received a definitive dream of such clarity that it left me in no doubt whom it came from or what it meant, I too would get going.
Perhaps I am too cynical. But I prefer to examine critically against my natural desire to believe. I would like to be able to attribute my daily life experiences to Jehovah. I see a blessing in this site, from Jehovah like everyone else here and even in some of my accomplishments or rewards in life, but in general, I see Jehovah’s impact on my life in much the same way as the psalmist who said, “he leads me in green pastures” etc, or in other words, he shows the way, but that is is up to me to walk it. He presents me with wood - I carve it, He gives me truth, I test it and make it my own. He gives me trials, I (hope to) withstand it. He allows contests of strength with evil, I (try to) deny it. I am allowed to be blind in my pathway and walk alone, and am given the option to rely on Him and to not see, but still believe, as Christ said to Thomas. I would gladly rely on Jehovah to come to my aid and hope sincerely, that I am strong enough when that time comes, but until then, I would rather prove my own faith and gratitude through works and prayer. That is the point is it not? I recall an example that Robert wrote about his life, in that he was on the ministry, frozen to the bone, saying to himself that if the next door he knocked on was a rebuke, he was going home, and lo and behold, he got a welcome and a hot drink - something like that anyway. Jehovah’s hand or chance? Therein is the value if it is to be found. Who can understand prophesy or reward before it is fulfilled? Watchtower is a good example of trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole. I am reluctant to follow their path by a different route down the road of assumption.
BARNABY THE DOG.
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What would it denote if one had an erotic dream? The mind boggles !!!
The God Pill
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I recall an angel appearing in Joseph's dreams in the gospels without the dreams being incomprehensible.
MickHewitt
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"Sweet is the sleep of the one serving" Ecc 5:12.
MickHewitt
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It's getting loud over there B 'a fire in Egypt'. If it aint a fire then I definitely smell smoke?
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Patricia
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It's still a minority that are starting to see what's really going on. But it's something.
Nomex
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I am going to throw in my two cents, as someone having grown up "in the truth" and I know the true first hand extent of how JW's view a certain topic. @White Stone @The God Pill God @TheJehuChariot @BARNABY THE DOG.
I call this particular phenomena "Jehovah's Witnesses ghost stories." I have seen it my entire life. JW's convinced a demon is lurking under the bed, around the corner, in every single thing this side of Armageddon, yet as the GB have just done, "obey the superior authorities." I am an artists, and when I was a teenager, my older brother whom I am convinced was thinking exactly the same thing White stone imagines, he was "reproving me", told my father about a drawing I had done of a paperback book cover I had done of a Conan book. I am sure this instantly raises alarms for someone like White Stone, as it did my brother. I was told my drawing was "demonic" because it depicted "Conan" standing on skulls. I defended myself and said "this is one of my best drawings." My brother told me, "maybe the demons helped you draw it."
Completely absurd.
What you are missing is this fact, "the whole world lies in the power of the wicked one." The problem with WT indoctrination is they never give you any context. I had a friend of mine insist I remove a sticker of the American flag from a piece of equipment I loaned them, because this person was convinced the American flag would bring demon's into their house. Well I have news for you, one of the most demonic things possible, is in almost every person's wallet at least in the US, the dollar bill. Demonic stuff is everywhere in this world.
WT makes a big deal about all the all kinds of stuff, with zero context. If you are having dreams about the demons, it's because you are thinking too much about the demons, not because the demons are "entering into your dreams." Same reason you think "God entered your dream". It's because that's what you are thinking about.
You are the navigator of your dreams. Usually, they go where you want them to. Sometimes circumstances effect our dreams, but only because it's what we are thinking about. Dreams are your sub-conscience working out problems of the conscience mind, plain and simple. Sorry, but you are not Joseph, Jacob's son, or Joseph, Mary's husband, Daniel, and interestingly it only happened a handful of times in the bible, including to Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Babylon, you're not that either!
Just so you understand, I am "reproving" you with reason, instead of emotion! Except, my arrogance only goes so far, so I would never, "reprove" anyone. I'm just using common sense and good judgement to point out the flaws in your superstitious reasoning! The WT has constantly given council about "superstition", and what is "superstition"? Sorry, but I have news for you, it's no different than what you are claiming.
I'm not saying this to discourage you or put you down, but I have heard this nonsense my whole life, and never spoke up about it until much later.
Sorry, but it's pure superstitious nonsense.
I call this particular phenomena "Jehovah's Witnesses ghost stories." I have seen it my entire life. JW's convinced a demon is lurking under the bed, around the corner, in every single thing this side of Armageddon, yet as the GB have just done, "obey the superior authorities." I am an artists, and when I was a teenager, my older brother whom I am convinced was thinking exactly the same thing White stone imagines, he was "reproving me", told my father about a drawing I had done of a paperback book cover I had done of a Conan book. I am sure this instantly raises alarms for someone like White Stone, as it did my brother. I was told my drawing was "demonic" because it depicted "Conan" standing on skulls. I defended myself and said "this is one of my best drawings." My brother told me, "maybe the demons helped you draw it."
Completely absurd.
What you are missing is this fact, "the whole world lies in the power of the wicked one." The problem with WT indoctrination is they never give you any context. I had a friend of mine insist I remove a sticker of the American flag from a piece of equipment I loaned them, because this person was convinced the American flag would bring demon's into their house. Well I have news for you, one of the most demonic things possible, is in almost every person's wallet at least in the US, the dollar bill. Demonic stuff is everywhere in this world.
WT makes a big deal about all the all kinds of stuff, with zero context. If you are having dreams about the demons, it's because you are thinking too much about the demons, not because the demons are "entering into your dreams." Same reason you think "God entered your dream". It's because that's what you are thinking about.
You are the navigator of your dreams. Usually, they go where you want them to. Sometimes circumstances effect our dreams, but only because it's what we are thinking about. Dreams are your sub-conscience working out problems of the conscience mind, plain and simple. Sorry, but you are not Joseph, Jacob's son, or Joseph, Mary's husband, Daniel, and interestingly it only happened a handful of times in the bible, including to Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Babylon, you're not that either!
Just so you understand, I am "reproving" you with reason, instead of emotion! Except, my arrogance only goes so far, so I would never, "reprove" anyone. I'm just using common sense and good judgement to point out the flaws in your superstitious reasoning! The WT has constantly given council about "superstition", and what is "superstition"? Sorry, but I have news for you, it's no different than what you are claiming.
I'm not saying this to discourage you or put you down, but I have heard this nonsense my whole life, and never spoke up about it until much later.
Sorry, but it's pure superstitious nonsense.
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