Hi! Newbie here

[Nomex]

How would you explain a color to a blind person since birth? It would be hard to explain since they don’t have the experience there in.

There's a lot I don't tell my 10 year old daughter. She doesn't have the capacity to understand so much. There are so many things i wouldn't even try to explain to her, an not just because I am her father, but because I am in my 50's. There is even less that I would even try explain my 5 year old.

The complete and total absurdity of what you are claiming is so over the top, the only way you are getting any response is the same reason people cannot look away from a train wreck. Everyone is trying to look away, but you can't help but watch the tons and tons of mangled steel wreckage fold like a cheap suit, and the reason you don't look away, is you cannot believe it's happening right in front of you.

Even if you were "anointed" you'd have the good sense to keep that to yourself, because a wise person would know what that sounds like, to people who are much older, wiser and more experienced than you are. I literally have clothes older than you are! When I was 25 I had no idea what life experiences I was in for. None of them as it turns out was the end WT had been promising way before even I was born.

You are no different than the GB who claim they are the faithful slave, and as evidence, all you have to do is ask them! They'll tell you, they are "the faithful and discreet slave." "WE know in 1919 Jesus came and inspected the slave class." We know that huh? LOL.

Your problem is your complete lack of humility, your lack of self awareness, lack of good judgement, lack of understanding in general...and I'm just shocked and frankly appalled.

You let the cat out of the bag, and so you have lost all credibility with the vast majority of people here.

And to drive home the point, to just nail that last nail into your coffin, you know why Jehovah has chosen human beings as "Christs brothers", because in Jehovah's wisdom and justice, the anointed actually carry out the judgement at Armageddon, because men (humans) can understand what it is like to live as men. Sorry to tell you pal, you are not qualified to act as my judge!

Your assertion is insulting and borders on blasphemy!

 

[White Stone]

Actually, as part of my secular work as a social worker, I have explained colours to a colour blind person and a blind and deaf person who had little understanding of speech. I was there at the introduction of email and worked with a deaf/blind person in communication. You could consider the ways around communication with a deaf/blind person from birth and how to do this via external expression and translation of understanding. I have explained homosexuality to a deaf/blind person, sung songs with him via touch and introduced him to the dimensions of space and time. How about formation of an external language to those who have no insight into what language is and does not have an internal voice. Tell me how to make a shopping list with no internal voice. Show affection appropriately without touch, explain an operation to someone who has little idea of what is inside his body, or how about reconstructing pain and suffering, spatial awareness and loss and change into an understanding that can be tolerated emotionally and does not leave the subject in fear and uncertainty. How often have you sat with the dying, sensory deprived person and had something to say?
So you have insight into dreams and “resonate” with people. What do you have of value in this regard that resonates in a positive and instructive manner. Of course Jehovah can make a person dream. That is not the question. It is why should He when He is looking for faith and heartfelt change. As Jesus said, “you have seen and believed. Blessed more are those who have not seen yet believe.” I dearly value Jehovah‘s interest in leading me in the avenues of faith, but He does not make me eat of it, or dream of it. That is for me to choose and rightly so. What makes us privileged and who gives us insight into the mind of Jehovah? And why, why are dreams from Jehovah special to anyone other than ourselves? Are we to follow those dreamers? Why do we think that being so blessed, gives us an authority or insight above that of another? Do we not seek Jehovah through the agony of our hearts? Appreciation? Thankfulness?. We do not boast about it, but keep His blessing in our hearts and share the joy modestly - perhaps for the very reason that boasting about such things invites ridicule. The word has always been served through discussion as equals searching for the same understanding. Some are appointed as teachers. For them, they need our support because the responsibility, though joyful, bears with it trials in faith. For the rest of us, we sit at the low table and wait to be invited to greater things.

In truth, if you think that one cannot communicate colour values with a colourblind or blind person, it is unwise to show your ignorance as an example of faith In dreams - is it not? Likewise with dreams. It is unwise to interpret them when we have no authority to do so. If you wish to reply in braille, sign language, or touch, texture or sensory means, feel free.

It must have been hard at first to explain to explain a color to a person who is blind since birth. With no experience of such, it would be hard if not impossible to relate such things that he could easily grasp or imagine exactly. How much more if that person is also deaf?

Regarding Jesus words, you’re misinterpreting it and taking it out of context. He was talking about the miracle of his resurrection. So that he says that those who believed of the “miracle” of his resurrection yet who have not seen him are blessed, because they have shown faith. The blinds in Jesus’ time have just heard a report about him and already believed and was just waiting for Jesus to come to their town to be healed. The Sidonian woman who has a daughter possessed by demon, when she heard the miracles Jesus have done, showed faith by begging Jesus to heal her daughter.

Dreams given are not always necessarily to be of prophetic significance, but often times for direction, reminder and the likes. If God sees the need to provide direction or answer the one who pleads to Him through a dream, or strengthen others through it, what are we to say to Him?

I know that sharing it will invite ridicule from some, but also expect a positive discussion from others. The reaction really depends on one’s experiences in life and culture and his way of thinking. I do respect if others will not believe, but to be honest, I’m disappointed if they take it in a negative way.

To say that one don’t need a dream(one of miracles) to strengthen their faith, is a matter of opinion. Miracles come in different forms, and it benefits one’s faith to God in dire situations.

 

[White Stone]

There's a lot I don't tell my 10 year old daughter. She doesn't have the capacity to understand so much. There are so many things i wouldn't even try to explain to her, an not just because I am her father, but because I am in my 50's. There is even less that I would even try explain my 5 year old.

The complete and total absurdity of what you are claiming is so over the top, the only way you are getting any response is the same reason people cannot look away from a train wreck. Everyone is trying to look away, but you can't help but watch the tons and tons of mangled steel wreckage fold like a cheap suit, and the reason you don't look away, is you cannot believe it's happening right in front of you.

Even if you were "anointed" you'd have the good sense to keep that to yourself, because a wise person would know what that sounds like, to people who are much older, wiser and more experienced than you are. I literally have clothes older than you are! When I was 25 I had no idea what life experiences I was in for. None of them as it turns out was the end WT had been promising way before even I was born.

You are no different than the GB who claim they are the faithful slave, and as evidence, all you have to do is ask them! They'll tell you, they are "the faithful and discreet slave." "WE know in 1919 Jesus came and inspected the slave class." We know that huh? LOL.

Your problem is your complete lack of humility, your lack of self awareness, lack of good judgement, lack of understanding in general...and I'm just shocked and frankly appalled.

You let the cat out of the bag, and so you have lost all credibility with the vast majority of people here.

And to drive home the point, to just nail that last nail into your coffin, you know why Jehovah has chosen human beings as "Christs brothers", because in Jehovah's wisdom and justice, the anointed actually carry out the judgement at Armageddon, because men (humans) can understand what it is like to live as men. Sorry to tell you pal, you are not qualified to act as my judge!

Your assertion is insulting and borders on blasphemy!

Goes to show you don’t know how anointing works. Do you think your grandfather, grandmother or any other person you saw fit is deserving of the heavenly hope? If that is the case, it will be called deserved kindness not undeserved kindness. Your grandfather and anybody else who died faithfully were content with the hope that they had, but you look like you’re disappointed and angry that someone like me have been rewarded such things. What have made you to think that way? Envy? Pride?

You see and judge with your eyes, but Jehovah’s way is way different. His thinking is as the heavens, but us, only from the earth. So I understand if you can’t grasp about dreams, much more so about the anointing!

With the way you communicate and show your bitterness and rage to others shows that you don’t have a close relationship with Jehovah or Jesus. Your hatred, rage and bitterness clouds your mind and judgment. Don’t let Satan ahead of you.

 

[Ms_ladyblue]

Goes to show you don’t know how anointing works. Do you think your grandfather, grandmother or any other person you saw fit is deserving of the heavenly hope? If that is the case, it will be called deserved kindness not undeserved kindness. Your grandfather and anybody else who died faithfully were content with the hope that they had, but you look like you’re disappointed and angry that someone like me have been rewarded such things. What have made you to think that way? Envy? Pride?

You see and judge with your eyes, but Jehovah’s way is way different. His thinking is as the heavens, but us, only from the earth. So I understand if you can’t grasp about dreams, much more so about the anointing!

With the way you communicate and show your bitterness and rage to others shows that you don’t have a close relationship with Jehovah or Jesus. Your hatred, rage and bitterness clouds your mind and judgment. Don’t let Satan ahead of you.

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[Ms_ladyblue]

It must have been hard at first to explain to explain a color to a person who is blind since birth. With no experience of such, it would be hard if not impossible to relate such things that he could easily grasp or imagine exactly. How much more if that person is also deaf?

Regarding Jesus words, you’re misinterpreting it and taking it out of context. He was talking about the miracle of his resurrection. So that he says that those who believed of the “miracle” of his resurrection yet who have not seen him are blessed, because they have shown faith. The blinds in Jesus’ time have just heard a report about him and already believed and was just waiting for Jesus to come to their town to be healed. The Sidonian woman who has a daughter possessed by demon, when she heard the miracles Jesus have done, showed faith by begging Jesus to heal her daughter.

Dreams given are not always necessarily to be of prophetic significance, but often times for direction, reminder and the likes. If God sees the need to provide direction or answer the one who pleads to Him through a dream, or strengthen others through it, what are we to say to Him?

I know that sharing it will invite ridicule from some, but also expect a positive discussion from others. The reaction really depends on one’s experiences in life and culture and his way of thinking. I do respect if others will not believe, but to be honest, I’m disappointed if they take it in a negative way.

To say that one don’t need a dream(one of miracles) to strengthen their faith, is a matter of opinion. Miracles come in different forms, and it benefits one’s faith to God in dire situations.

🤦‍♀️

 

[Nomex]

So I understand if you can’t grasp about dreams, much more so about the anointing!

LOL...my daughter she yells at us some times, she's only 9 like I said. I don't get mad at her, I am patient with her, she's only 9 after all. You on the other hand. You are an adult. You get no such consideration, and you are not my child. If my 9 year old lectures me about life, that's funny, she's 9. But you, you get no such consideration. You are still a child, but at the same time a grown man. But by now, you should know "your limitations", but you do not. Therefore, the rest of the adults, hold you in deserved contempt. You are driven to a fault by your arrogance, and ignorance.

To you, behind every wall and under every bed "is Satan". My council, is real world lived council. Not your imaginary fantasy, where you imagine you know more and are smarter and better than everyone else. Like I said, you are a train wreck.

The things you just learned, have been my life for more than 50 years. 25 years before you were even conceived, I was learning about Jehovah, you arrogant little jerk....again, you are just a train wreck. We all want to look away, we are trying as hard as we can not to look, but here it is, all that massive metal crashing and deforming right before our very eyes, and we can't look away. We can't believe it, of all the times and places, we are here now to witness the carnage, right here right now.

You are a little man, putting on a big suit, and we all thought it was funny, until you got mad because we are all laughing at you. You need a good spanking. But you are an adult now, so life will be your spanking. Your parents didn't do you any favors, because the spanking life deals doesn't care about your feelings and neither does facts!

The "Hard Knox" you're about to be dealt, is going to wreck you! You child are in for a rude awakening!

 

[Nomex]

I'll tell you what @White Stone why don't you post your address, I'll come to your house and give you your well desevere ass kicking, then maybe I'll feel better about you judging me when you kill me at Armageddon. That way you can get the last lick in! YAY!!!!!!!!

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Had the privilege of introducing music to a profoundly deaf witness from birth B: Took car speakers apart put one to each ear and he got the riddim widdim..chortle!

True. There are many ways to reach the senses. The brain is a profound mechanism of Ingenuity . What irritates, maybe even intrigues me about this issue of dreams from Jehovah as a means to point the way is, why on earth would he do so via a riddle or illustration that can be misunderstood, or confuse the person? If Jehovah wanted to give someone a one to one advantage in insight into a particular course of action, would He not do so explicitly, rather than via an illusion of thought that can be misconstrued or ambiguous or indeed, leave the recipient wondering what it meant? If I sent you a letter describing a motorway slip road, how many conclusions could you draw from that, besides the reason why would I do such a thing?

 

[Nomex]

@White Stone why don't you post your address, I'll come to your house and give you your well desevere ass kicking,

I'll bruise you in the heel and you can bruise me in the head!@!!!

 

[Ms_ladyblue]

True. There are many ways to reach the senses. The brain is a profound mechanism of Ingenuity . What irritates, maybe even intrigues me about this issue of dreams from Jehovah as a means to point the way is, why on earth would he do so via a riddle or illustration that can be misunderstood, or confuse the person? If Jehovah wanted to give someone a one to one advantage in insight into a particular course of action, would He not do so explicitly, rather than via an illusion of thought that can be misconstrued or ambiguous or indeed, leave the recipient wondering what it meant? If I sent you a letter describing a motorway slip road, how many conclusions could you draw from that, besides the reason why would I do such a thing?

BTD when it comes to interpreting dreams or the like, don’t we have to take into consideration what 1 Corinthians 13: 8-10?

“Love never fails. But if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away with; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away with. For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially, but when what is complete comes, what is partial will be done away with.”
And maybe verses 11-13 sums it up.

😊

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

It must have been hard at first to explain to explain a color to a person who is blind since birth. With no experience of such, it would be hard if not impossible to relate such things that he could easily grasp or imagine exactly. How much more if that person is also deaf?

Regarding Jesus words, you’re misinterpreting it and taking it out of context. He was talking about the miracle of his resurrection. So that he says that those who believed of the “miracle” of his resurrection yet who have not seen him are blessed, because they have shown faith. The blinds in Jesus’ time have just heard a report about him and already believed and was just waiting for Jesus to come to their town to be healed. The Sidonian woman who has a daughter possessed by demon, when she heard the miracles Jesus have done, showed faith by begging Jesus to heal her daughter.

Dreams given are not always necessarily to be of prophetic significance, but often times for direction, reminder and the likes. If God sees the need to provide direction or answer the one who pleads to Him through a dream, or strengthen others through it, what are we to say to Him?

I know that sharing it will invite ridicule from some, but also expect a positive discussion from others. The reaction really depends on one’s experiences in life and culture and his way of thinking. I do respect if others will not believe, but to be honest, I’m disappointed if they take it in a negative way.

To say that one don’t need a dream(one of miracles) to strengthen their faith, is a matter of opinion. Miracles come in different forms, and it benefits one’s faith to God in dire situations.

I do not think questioning scriptural reasoning is ridicule. Some may take it so such because it is deservedly so, but rather than dwell on the frustrations of others, it would be more beneficial to dwell instead on its content. As I mentioned to Mick, why speak in interpretation of dreams where confusion, intrigue, ambiguity and wonderment are rife, not to mention the inability to remember parts of it? Surely, if our course of action is so vital to Jehovah’s purpose, why would he not be explicit in His demand to the recipient and in such person‘s relation of such facts?

Jehovah cannot lie. Why would he abuse His perfection by being so casual in His direction of a mere human by giving him an illusion in the course of action He requires that one to take. Is it not possible that our dreams stem from our own subconscious thought processes that Jehovah allows to occur in our minds through design? And if such is by design, then why is it not clear and so easily misconstrued? There clearly are other functions of the brain involved. Is it not more reasonable to assume our dreams are a function of brain‘s reasoning on a response to our conscious thinking? There are a few levels in the depth of sleep, each serving a purpose as yet not fully explained. That in itself should alert us to be cautious in labelling and legitimising our reasoning as “from Jehovah”. Why take such a mundane (though wondrous) function and translate it into an act of Jehovah to elevate our position in our contentions with others? This is more to do with man’s religious one-upmanship. The watchtower have refined it to an art form. “We are Jehovah’s channel”. The clergy do the same. “God wills it”, when they mean ”Do as I say. I am right. I have Jehovah’s attention and His work to do and explain”. What I note about your argument, and is most striking, is that you choose not to answer my queries, which are legitimate, but simply restate your claim in a different manner and that makes your reasoning merely supportive of what you think it might be - not that you speak for Jehovah as a teacher and revealer of dreams. And if you cannot support your thinking, is it wise to claim it is from Jehovah?

 

[evw]

I'll tell you what @White Stone why don't you post your address, I'll come to your house and give you your well desevere ass kicking, then maybe I'll feel better about you judging me when you kill me at Armageddon. That way you can get the last lick in! YAY!!!!!!!!

Leave him be, Nomex, act as the wiser man that you are. He made his own bed and will have to lie in it now.

 

[White Stone]

BTD when it comes to interpreting dreams or the like, don’t we have to take into consideration what 1 Corinthians 13: 8-10?

“Love never fails. But if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away with; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away with. For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially, but when what is complete comes, what is partial will be done away with.”
And maybe verses 11-13 sums it up.

😊

What did Paul meant when he writes “when what is complete comes” that will end all what is partial? What is the complete that is coming?

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

BTD when it comes to interpreting dreams or the like, don’t we have to take into consideration what 1 Corinthians 13: 8-10?

“Love never fails. But if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away with; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away with. For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially, but when what is complete comes, what is partial will be done away with.”
And maybe verses 11-13 sums it up.

😊

Well yes of course. But that does not do away with learning through contending the issue. I am trying to satisfy my own reasoning. Would Jehovah speak to others in dreams? I want to know. The issue of Jehovah directing us through dreams was claimed to be true. I want to see the evidence and not be given a simple reiteration of the same claim as an answer. An assumption does not become a fact simply by repeating it in a multiplicity of ways - even if watchtower think it does. The instances of dreams and visions are explained in the bible and resolved. No one doubts Saul’s experience. The writing on the wall at Babylon was explained. These things were for the fulfilment of prophesy and in example. If a brother claims to have the power to interpret dreams, then I want to know about it and tease out the truth. Is that not so in all of us? How many times do we have to be reminded of watchtowers infidelity?

 

[White Stone]

Leave him be, Nomex, act as the wiser man that you are. He made his own bed and will have to lie in it now.

You have provided nothing in this thread but to scoff. It would be wiser to read your Bible or do other beneficial things than to have your time reading this thread.I’m surprised that you’re still wasting your time here.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

What did Paul meant when he writes “when what is complete comes” that will end all what is partial? What is the complete that is coming?

A complete understanding of the truth behind the purpose of Jehovah. That scripture cannot be used to suggest that fragments of truth can be used to justify the inexplicable reasoning of imperfect man. The scripture illustrates the completion of Jehovah’s prophesy. It is of Jehovah, not man that the explanation comes. The scriptures are true of Jehovah. If we use them to justify our opinion, then we must show the evidence for such assumption from those scriptures and test it in the fire to bring out its purity. We cannot just glibly say “This is true“, without definitive context. It’s fine to suggest our thinking on a topic, but we should be prepared to defend it. If our thinking is erroneous, there is no shame in that (depending on how presumptuous our thinking may be), and we allow others to educate ourselves through their deeper insight. When we assume we are right against all supported biblical reasoning, then we are not as wise as we thought we were, or, that we need to think things through a little more. You may be right. So, prove it! That is all that is being asked. Clearly you believe it. Asking our opinion on a scripture hardly justifies your claim in respect of your dreams. The one you quote only suggests that you yourself are not sure of the genesis of your dreams, otherwise, why state it? I do not understand.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Leave him be, Nomex, act as the wiser man that you are. He made his own bed and will have to lie in it now.

I thought Nomex’s comment rather funny. I can see him doing the same to me.

 

[TheJehuChariot]

What did Paul meant when he writes “when what is complete comes” that will end all what is partial? What is the complete that is coming?

Christ has not returned. The parousia has not begun. The two witnesses have not been initiated. There are no dreams, for there is no purpose to fulfill yet. That is how God works. Fairly simple

 

[Ms_ladyblue]

Well yes of course. But that does not do away with learning through contending the issue. I am trying to satisfy my own reasoning. Would Jehovah speak to others in dreams? I want to know. The issue of Jehovah directing us through dreams was claimed to be true. I want to see the evidence and not be given a simple reiteration of the same claim as an answer. An assumption does not become a fact simply by repeating it in a multiplicity of ways - even if watchtower think it does. The instances of dreams and visions are explained in the bible and resolved. No one doubts Saul’s experience. The writing on the wall at Babylon was explained. These things were for the fulfilment of prophesy and in example. If a brother claims to have the power to interpret dreams, then I want to know about it and tease out the truth. Is that not so in all of us? How many times do we have to be reminded of watchtowers infidelity?

No, I totally agree with what you’re saying. The main part of those verses in 1Corinthians I was focusing on ( and in context of course) was that “those things would be done away with.”
I wouldn’t think that just any given person could just ‘claim’ to interpret dreams. If that were the case, anyone could make some claim about something but it may or not be true. Just like WT claims they are the FDS but how do we know? Well, most of us on this forum well know the truth about that.
I just can’t believe Jehovah would back someone just claiming to interpret dreams…and maybe because he calls himself White Stone? Why not give his real name like Daniel, Isaiah, and Jeremiah, among others?

That’s just my two cents I’m putting in…for what it’s worth.

☺️

 

[Ms_ladyblue]

You have provided nothing in this thread but to scoff. It would be wiser to read your Bible or do other beneficial things than to have your time reading this thread.I’m surprised that you’re still wasting your time here.

Well, you can’t fault some of us for having righteous indignation, can you?

And as for you giving us advice on how to be wise…maybe it would be ‘wiser’ for you to read your Bible or do other beneficial things besides posting this thread to make a showy display of your being able to interpret dreams. Aren’t you being more like the Pharisees and Sadducees? Where’s your Christlike attitude?

I think everyone has been pretty fair here trying to reason with you on this topic. Don’t you agree? And if not, maybe it’s because they don’t agree with you. Why did you post this thread if you only wanted comments that would puff you up? Did you only want those who read it to come on here and kiss up to you by giving you praise? Remember what the apostle Paul said about that?

It’s never a waste of time to try and help someone when we see the need to help, no matter how bombastic it may be. Unless you already think you have it all figured out.
I have nothing against you personally, I don’t even know you but you really should pray to Jehovah in earnestness, and if all you can take away from these comments is that we’re wasting our time here…then you might be alone in achieving whatever you’re setting out to do. If I were you I would stop and consider what those have responded on this thread to you. Try to understand the meaning and the intent behind the words. Humility on your part will go a long way.

*And I don’t consider this as scoffing.

Hopefully, your sista in the faith.

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